Overlooked songs....
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Topic: Overlooked songs....
Posted By: The T
Subject: Overlooked songs....
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:12
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As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:16
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My vote goes to the vastly underappreciated "To Be Over" on the Relayer album by Yes. It goes through many contrasting moods, the uplifting lyrics actually make sense, Howe performs a breathtakingly hot solo out of the blue and the intertwining countermelodies at the end fascinate me every time. I never tire of hearing it. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:20
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I don't know if it's really overlooked, but the first example that comes to my mind is Yes' "Siberian Khatru"... A fantastic song that is overshadowed by the two epics that precede it. Personally, I think it's much better than "And You And I", but I am not sure if many people share my opinion. Another similar case is "Have a Cigar" on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, the one sung by Roy Harper. Luckily, Roger Waters rescued it from oblivion, and played it during his 2006 tour. It's a great, hard rockin' song with great lyrics, but far too many people seem to think it's just filler. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:35
 After the ferocity of "Sound Chaser", this track was absolutely perfect. |
Chicapah wrote:Posted By: anekglagard
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:53
That is my favorite off of the album :) Also, I love "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)," but it seems to be frowned upon because it isn't "proggy." It is such a fun song! I love the flute in it too! |
Posted By: Astrodomine
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:16
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Lizard by King Crimson. There is a strange and pleasant atmosphere through the song. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:22
Its the most often mentioned "most overlooked" song I know of. It probably means its not really that overlooked. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:33
| Kansas - How My Soul Cries Out For You - Monolith. 1979 Steve Howe - Look Over Your Sholder - Steve Howe Album.1979 Pink Floyd - Stay. - Obscured By Clouds.1972 Genesis - Get Em Out By Friday - Foxtrot.1972 Jethro Tull - Left Right - The Night Cap.1995 ELP - Tank - ELP.1970 |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:43
Please do not just list song titles here, this is a discussion section.
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Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:57
OH!!!Sorry!!!!!!
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:03
is it only me or has anybody else noticed the similarities between "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" and "Astral Traveller" from the second Yes-album "Time and a Word"? not only is the riff the same (dah dah dah da-da-da), the keyboard solo is almost identical -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:13
I completely agree with that,
Yes seems to have lots of overlooked gems, but that's mainly because some of their songs are so good that they overshadow themselves. Other Yes songs that IMO are often overlooked include; Future Times/Rejoice (Tormato), Hearts, Changes (90125), South Side Of The Sky (Fragile), Magnification (same) and I probably overlook a lot of other songs that deserve a mention.
another song that I think is great, but doesn't get much mentioning is She Cameleon from Marillion (Fugazi) I think it's one of the best Marillion tunes, but when the album comes up in conversation it's always about the title track, Assassin and Incubus.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:22
Haven't heard that... but curiosity has been sparked... even if Yes, while good, doesn't get even close to Genesis in my preferences... It may be interesting to see some influencing there.... -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:42
here a YouTube live version; in the studio version the similarity is even more obvious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:24
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Ahhh.. love brufords druming on that one, and yes there is a litle similarity. ------------- 
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Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:32
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Van der Graaf's "Lost"
Yes' "Perpetual change"
King Crimson's "In the wake of Podeidon"
Gentle Giant's "Wreck"
PFM's "Via Lumiere"
Marillion's "She Chameleon"
Pink Floyds' "Summer '68"
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:59
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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:13
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I've always liked "A Venture" by Yes very much: short, but intriguing and "minimal". In general, short pieces are often overlooked: "Breve Immagine" by Le Orme, "Sequent C" by Tangerine Dream, "For Absent Friends" by Genesis, "Vital Signs" by Rush... ------------- 
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Posted By: mpomy
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:14
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My Floyd pick would be 'Fearless' - it's the Can-Utility of Meddle, overlooked because of 'One of These Days' and 'Echoes'. I do agree with the statement that these sonds are talked about as 'overlooked' so much that they can't really be that overloked. Other great songs that come to mind from BIG albums are 'Epitaph' from In the Court of the Crimson King, and 'One More Red Nightmare' from Red (ferocious Bruford on the latter). ------------- 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:31
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There's several I can think of. Her Voices on PoS's The Perfect Element is a stunning track but seems to get overlooked by TPE and King of Loss (and to a lesser extent Idioglossia and In the Flesh). Emerald Lies is a stunning track that rocks out and has moments of quiet beauty. Endless Sacrifice is the best song on Dream Theaters Train of Thought, but always seems to get passed over for the repetative Stream of Consciesness. Another great Marillion song that gets passed over is Berlin, simply stunning. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 17:03
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I think that VDGG's "Pilgrims" is a very overlooked song. It has some of the best chord sequences I've ever heard in a prog song in ages, and amongst being one of my favourite's of all time, I think it deserves gallons more appreciation than it already recieves. Van Der Graaf's greatest song by far.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:19
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:25
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Speaking of The Dream, that's a band full of overlooked songs:
"Light fuse and get away" in WDADU
"learning to Live" in I&W
"Scarred" in AW
"Lines in the sand", the best song in FII
(no song in SFAM, usually this album is seen as a whole)
(no song in 6DOIT, the title-track is not overlooked, and the rest... not so good.
"in the name of God" in TOT
"The root of all evil" in 8, much better than "octavarium" which for me is just good.
(no song in SC as the album is relatively new)
Every one of my favorite bands has a lot of "overlooked" songs... actually, more often than not my favorites are not the usual suspects...
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:28
Haven't heard that... but curiosity has been sparked... even if Yes, while good, doesn't get even close to Genesis in my preferences... It may be interesting to see some influencing there.... [/QUOTE]here a YouTube live version; in the studio version the similarity is even more obvious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog [/QUOTE]
Hmmm... Steve Howe pretending to be Peter Banks: talk about being overlooked! 
As for "Siberian Khatru" and (especially) "To Be Over": I always thought they were essential to the albums they come from. Yes at their finest - 'nuff said! And let's just NOT waste too many words on "Epitaph", shall we? (Did Crimso ever do anything more influential? Well, apart maybe from "Schizoid Man"...) |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:47
Epitaph and One More Red Nightmare overlooked? Not at all. The ones I'd consider somewhat overlooked are: Genesis - After the Ordeal Absolutely perfect instrumental, but overshadowed by the rest of the album's massive epics. King Crimson - Pictures Of A City Too often dismissed as a Schizoid Man doppelganger, but in my mind a great track in and of itself. Pink Floyd - wouldn't consider anything much overlooked, although I enjoy San Tropez, Seamus, Summer '68 and a lot of other tracks that don't get as much love as some others. Jethro Tull - possibly Cap In Hand, since it's one of two songs that I enjoy from Songs From The Wood. It seems that the folkies hold sway, though. Yes - I think South Side deserves more love than it gets, but isn't really overlooked. I don't really consider anything of theirs particularly underappreciated. ELP - Bitches Crystal. Absolutely classic tune, imo, but never gets any love except from me. |
Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 20:21
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Can-Utility and the Coastliners is the first example that comes to my head. It's my favorite Genesis song but I rarely see it mentioned alongside Supper's Ready, Watcher of the Skies or The Musical Box. The song is just as The T said, it's basically an epic condensed to 5-6 minutes. The progression within the song, the blaring mellotron, the emotional story and vocals... and even a Mike Rutherford bass solo! But then again, judging by this thread, perhaps that isn't the case. Maybe Can-Utility isn't overlooked, it's just not talked about very often... |
Posted By: grimpiter
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 20:52
| Cul-de sac... (genesis - duke 1980) Nobody talks about it, but it´s awesome!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 21:53
Actually you mention some I can put my hands to.indeed Pictures of a city and after the ordeal are great, I also mentioned the Yes song myself and Cap in Hand is a great song, I don't like ELP so no claps for that mention, but anyone openly displaying their love for ELP deserves some recogniion.
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Posted By: Cylli Kat
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 22:30
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In my personal opinion (and believe me, I have a feeling I'm gonna get bashed about for this), there's this quirky, little song on Queen's "A Night At The Opera" called "Seaside Rendezvous", which I think is an amazingly charming little gem that gets lost lost in the shuffle perhaps because it is a rather unusual and campy little tune. But it has really nicely layered vocals, clever and restrained playing (including a kazoo solo!), and, its just plain fun! But, with such blockbusters as "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Death On Two Legs", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Opera_%28Queen_album%29#Love_of_My_Life - - "The Prophet's Song", "Love Of My Life", and "I'm In Love With My Car", I can understand why no-one even remembers this one... Just a personal favorite, I guess... ------------- [Insert Clever Phrase Here] |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:32
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Rush's "Bastille Day" from Caress of Steel is very overlooked, as well as "The Analog Kid" on Signals. I really think that Caress of Steel in general is very overlooked, signals not so much considering it has 2 big hits on it one being "Subdivisions" and the other, "New World Man" of course. ------------- 
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Posted By: Endless Wire
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:36
I have always really liked '39, it's absolutely beautiful. It doesn't get much attention either. ------------- . |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:47
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Endless Enigma,ELP...Trilogy is an overlooked album in general. When people talk about ELP it is usually BSS,ELP,Tarkus,Pics,Works. IMHO seldom is Trilogy talked about. I like the melodies on Trilogy, the synth work is great. |
Posted By: Cylli Kat
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:38
Good point, Endless Wire! Very, very beautiful, graceful song. Plus, '39 has Brian May doing the lead vocal if memory serves... I'd also offer "Bijou" from "Innuendo" for consideration, as the title track and "The Show Must Go On" seem to overshadow it. ------------- [Insert Clever Phrase Here] |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:39
"Learning to Live" is probably my favourite DT song of all those I've heard so far, and I think I pointed that out in my I&W review. I don't agree with "Epitaph" being overlooked at all... That distinction might rather go to "I Talk to the Wind", which is a great song too easily dismissed. Another of my 'overlooked' favourites is VDGG's "Lemmings" from Pawn Hearts - in my opinion, one of the best album openers in prog, but all too often forgotten in favour of "Man-Erg" and "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers". |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:42
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Two from the same album: "Abandon Ship!" and "In Babelsberg" from VdGG's reunion album "Present". When someone mentions that album it is aways "Every Bloody Emperor" and "Nutter Alert" that get the credits, but I think people are really missing out here. The self-irony of "Abandon Ship!", lyrically as well as musically (one can literally see the heptagenarians totter along to that bumbling rhythm) always gives me a laugh; who but Hammill could have thought of lines like "Oh, the heptagenarians got behind the desks" or "at the lifeboat station there's a mounting panic... they're going overboard for this one - abandon ship!". And "In Babelsberg" is a really heavy rocker, driven by the dirty guitar of Hammill and the equally dirty sax of Jackson, while Banton is pounding away on a bass guitar for a change.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:48
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many of the Tull bonus tracks are excellent and could have been included on the final cuts of the original albums, sucha as 'Paradise Steakhouse', 'Love Story', 'Saturation', 'Kelpie' |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 03:17
Definitely "Blue Jay Way" from The Beatles. That's my favorite song of theirs and I've never seen it talked about... 
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 03:49
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Some really good suggestions of overlooked songs have been made here. I think that Can-Utility was an excellent example for the topic that The T wished to speak upon, and I think that these songs that have also been suggested fit the category very well indeed. Siberian Khatru (overshadowed by TWO masterpieces.)
Sequent C (really good, but who remembers it compared to Phaedra?)
One More Red Nightmare (only really gets mentioned when we discuss Bruford)
Summer '68 (we really don't discuss Atom Heart Mother enough, but if we did, this would qualify.)
A Venture (another good track that is overshadowed by an entire album)
Now the obvious thing to point out is that the ones that I think fit as examples all face opposition that is not just of higher quality, but actually is defining in their genre. The LESS obvious thing to point out (and it appears to be true for all of the ones that I think really fit this idea of being overlooked) is that the overlooked tracks are in a SIGNIFICANTLY different style.
That said, let me give you my list of overlooked tracks.
Camel -- Supertwister (An exquisite short, jazzy tune that has to compete with both Lady Fantasy and Nimrodel)
Steve Hackett -- The Virgin and the Gypsy (Wow, what a great tune, but with a much more simple grandeur excepting the vocals than the other highlights of the album.)
King Crimson -- Matte Kudasai (A great song without all of the great twists that characterize the rest of this album.)
PFM -- Generale (A jazzy work on this most progressive of albums.)
Rush -- Tears (The meditative mood contrasts strongly with the rest of 2112.)
UK -- The Only Thing She Needs (This throwback to the first album had the misfortune of being place on the same disc as Carrying No Cross.)
Yes -- Turn of the Century -- (The exception that proves the rule, as this one is very much in the vein of Awaken.)
Anybody else have a theory on WHY we think certain songs are overlooked?
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 05:15
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Well i can only think of one right now.. It. From the Lamb what a superb way to end that masterpiece. And yet when the great song from that album is talked about i never hear anyone talk about It, it got Hackett's best riff ever and its yust amazingly chatchy. That song always makes me stand up and dance cant think of many songs that do that.. -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 05:30
the Lamb has a lot of danceable tracks; I remember that when it came out the first and second side of it were usually played in completeness on parties of my parents, with people switching from wild shaking to clutchin' and grabbin' throughout the tracks. the more experimental sides 3 and 4 were less fitted for this though, although there is of course the occasional dancing tune there too. but I have yet to see people dancing to "Waiting Room"  (though I think it would be great for a ballet)------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 07:09
I believe Learning to Live is often held up as one of the two masterpieces on the I&W album, along with Metropolis. If anything, its Take the Time thats overlooked. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 07:29
Another good example; I particularly love the drumming on that song. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 17:45
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overlooked songs.... easy.... ELP - Toccata... the drumming alone should put this on any prog drummers to learn to play list.. .but the hero worship of Peart continues when he did nothing .. nothing that compares to what Palmer did on this one. Professor? my ass... he took lessons from the Dean of prog drummers Who was showing prog what prog drummers could be when Peart was.. god knows where..
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Posted By: MusicalSalmacis
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 19:29
Wow, that's the first song that spring to mind when I saw the topic. Well done, our minds are one! Hehe. I always thought that Harold the Barrell Nursery Cryme was a bit overlooked. It's such an eventful and lovely short song!
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 08 2008 at 19:38
Absolutely. Superb, and actually surprisingly deep song (Harold The Barrel). Edit: I think the entire Islands album is really somewhat overlooked (Why is it below 4?!). Cirkus is overlooked as a Crimson song, but not in the context of its album. Lizard should get a lot more love as an epic, in my opinion, but the ending (at the moment) stops it from competing with the best for me. |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: March 09 2008 at 00:26
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^ IMO everything between Lake and Wetton (Lizard and Islands) is unfairly disregarded. That's when they really moved outside of the box, the difference between In the Wake... and Lizard is insane, but they both work. The short tracks may seem a bit sloppy and Haskell's vocals may grate on some, but the musicians play well and the long track on side two has some really wonderful moments (I would put it up with all the hallmark 20 minute pieces). And the title track from Islands is simply heaven. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:20
I'd rather not say in public what you deserve for that remark  ...Seriously, you'll be happy to know that Palmer was a big influence on Peart, together with another idol of yours, the late, great Keith Moon. And I do agree on "Toccata"... I remember that I wasn't too impressed by it at first, but then grew to appreciate it more and more as the masterpiece it is. |
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:27
Toccata is great, I agree  And then I'll throw in A Passion Play as an overlooked "song". Chew on that one...------------- http://www.last.fm/user/LinusW88" rel="nofollow - Blargh |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 09 2008 at 08:01
Peart, Shmeart anyway . Who needs him when there are drummers like Neumeier, Vander or (sadly no more) Moerlen? And Neumeier was around long before Palmer already (albeit as a jazz drummer only, with the Irene Schweizer Trio). Definitely the most influential drummers for me. What I love about them is that you never know what they will come up with next; they play on the spur of the moment. That is, however, definitely not the style of Peart; just think of his elaborate drum solos. Some may like this predictability; I find it a boring trait in a drummer  .Mark that I don't question the technical abilities of Peart, though he is by no means the überdrummer as some depict him; being a drummer myself I can assure you that there are many drummers with equal technical abilities as his; just check out the drummers I named, and I could add a long list of others to that.. I merely question his approach to drumming. But that's my personal taste. Ok, that was the usual Friede rant whenever drumming is mentioned, especially with the name "Peart" ; now back to the topic. A song which I like a lot but is totally overlooked is "For Absent Friends" on "Nursery Cryme". A nice little song with thoughtful lyrics and beautiful vocal harmonies.,------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: MusicalSalmacis
Date Posted: March 09 2008 at 17:27
Islands is a great chiller, but I think it lacks something to chew on. It's like a fluffy cloud. Hard to explain. Lizard on the other hand has three of my fav Crimson tracks, (Lady of the Dancing Water, Cirkus and Lizard), but the other two tracks aren't as good imho. of those two tracks were a bit better I might give the album give stars. But I agree alot about the track Lizard, it is a great epic. Right now I'm listening to A Passion Play by Tull, and I think it is underrated. It's not like TAAB at all. I almost think it is better. At least almost as good as TAAB. The only thing those two albums have in common is that they both are one-song records, but the songs have very little in common. |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 02:22
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OOOH! LinusW, that APP barb will either be looked over or cause a spark. [ I agree it's great, but it's not necessarily overlooked because it's not everybody's 'cup of tea']. ' Life's a Long Song' and so is APP.
One that comes to mind, at least again in the popularity stakes, is 'Working All Day' from THREE FRIENDS. It's a personal favourite of mine . It both rocks and is subtle in some aspects of it's simplicity. What other bands can use saxes so effectively to create and build a riff. Just love how the baritone/tenor adds to the bottom end. You also have one of KMs best organ solos which he builds to a powerful conclusion. And in the days of spinning LPs in paticular, how many of your mates asked if your player was OK on the first listen of that intro.[ only a small factor in the whole scheme of things, I know]. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 04:50
hmm, I really like "Happy Family" and "Indoor Games", especially "Happy Family". what a great song about the Beatles! ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: dpedal1
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 08:24
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More recently I think Sentimental fromm PTs "Fear of a Blank Planet" gets pushed aside by Anethetize. Both great songs but Sentimental, IMO, is the most emotional song on the album. ------------- "So crucify the ego, before it's far too late." - Reflection |
Posted By: TartanTantrum
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 10:16
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You don't hear many people waxing lyrical about South Side of the Sky from Fragile, but I love it.
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Posted By: Christine
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 10:32
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"Pilgrims" and "Wondering" by VDGG ------------- catsfootironclaw |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 22:19
my exact picks for each album except I like Octavarium's title track, Root of all Evil being second favorite good show T ------------- 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 19:08
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Miranda... - The Mars Volta As for drummer talk, I think that John Theodore is the greatest rock drummer ever. I may have offended people by saying this, but theoretically shouldn't he be better as he's had access to way more inspiration than guys like Peart and Carl? It's hard to explain, but a way to put it is this: society keeps on improving, which is why we get better medicine and technology now. I think the same goes for musicians: they learn from previous styles, combine them, and optimise them to make a better drumming style. Which is why I think that Theodore is THE BEST DRUMMER EVER. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |