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The Pessimist
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
Posted: March 07 2008 at 17:03 | |
I think that VDGG's "Pilgrims" is a very overlooked song. It has some of the best chord sequences I've ever heard in a prog song in ages, and amongst being one of my favourite's of all time, I think it deserves gallons more appreciation than it already recieves. Van Der Graaf's greatest song by far.
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The T
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:19 | |
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The T
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:25 | |
Speaking of The Dream, that's a band full of overlooked songs:
"Light fuse and get away" in WDADU
"learning to Live" in I&W
"Scarred" in AW
"Lines in the sand", the best song in FII
(no song in SFAM, usually this album is seen as a whole)
(no song in 6DOIT, the title-track is not overlooked, and the rest... not so good.
"in the name of God" in TOT
"The root of all evil" in 8, much better than "octavarium" which for me is just good.
(no song in SC as the album is relatively new)
Every one of my favorite bands has a lot of "overlooked" songs... actually, more often than not my favorites are not the usual suspects...
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fuxi
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2461 |
Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:28 | |
Haven't heard that... but curiosity has been sparked... even if Yes, while good, doesn't get even close to Genesis in my preferences... It may be interesting to see some influencing there.... [/QUOTE]here a YouTube live version; in the studio version the similarity is even more obvious:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog[/QUOTE]
Hmmm... Steve Howe pretending to be Peter Banks: talk about being overlooked! As for "Siberian Khatru" and (especially) "To Be Over": I always thought they were essential to the albums they come from. Yes at their finest - 'nuff said! And let's just NOT waste too many words on "Epitaph", shall we? (Did Crimso ever do anything more influential? Well, apart maybe from "Schizoid Man"...) |
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TGM: Orb
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: March 07 2008 at 18:47 | |
Epitaph and One More Red Nightmare overlooked? Not at all. The ones I'd consider somewhat overlooked are: Genesis - After the Ordeal Absolutely perfect instrumental, but overshadowed by the rest of the album's massive epics. King Crimson - Pictures Of A City Too often dismissed as a Schizoid Man doppelganger, but in my mind a great track in and of itself. Pink Floyd - wouldn't consider anything much overlooked, although I enjoy San Tropez, Seamus, Summer '68 and a lot of other tracks that don't get as much love as some others. Jethro Tull - possibly Cap In Hand, since it's one of two songs that I enjoy from Songs From The Wood. It seems that the folkies hold sway, though. Yes - I think South Side deserves more love than it gets, but isn't really overlooked. I don't really consider anything of theirs particularly underappreciated. ELP - Bitches Crystal. Absolutely classic tune, imo, but never gets any love except from me. |
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KeleCableII
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 20:21 | |
Can-Utility and the Coastliners is the first example that comes to my head. It's my favorite Genesis song but I rarely see it mentioned alongside Supper's Ready, Watcher of the Skies or The Musical Box. The song is just as The T said, it's basically an epic condensed to 5-6 minutes. The progression within the song, the blaring mellotron, the emotional story and vocals... and even a Mike Rutherford bass solo!
But then again, judging by this thread, perhaps that isn't the case. Maybe Can-Utility isn't overlooked, it's just not talked about very often... Edited by KeleCableII - March 07 2008 at 20:22 |
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grimpiter
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 20:52 | |
Cul-de sac... (genesis - duke 1980) Nobody talks about it, but itīs awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
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tuxon
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 21:53 | |
Actually you mention some I can put my hands to.indeed Pictures of a city and after the ordeal are great, I also mentioned the Yes song myself and Cap in Hand is a great song, I don't like ELP so no claps for that mention, but anyone openly displaying their love for ELP deserves some recogniion.
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Cylli Kat
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 22:30 | |
In my personal opinion (and believe me, I have a feeling I'm gonna get bashed about for this), there's this quirky, little song on Queen's "A Night At The Opera" called "Seaside Rendezvous", which I think is an amazingly charming little gem that gets lost lost in the shuffle perhaps because it is a rather unusual and campy little tune. But it has really nicely layered vocals, clever and restrained playing (including a kazoo solo!), and, its just plain fun! But, with such blockbusters as "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Death On Two Legs", "The Prophet's Song", "Love Of My Life", and "I'm In Love With My Car", I can understand why no-one even remembers this one...
Just a personal favorite, I guess... |
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:32 | |
Rush's "Bastille Day" from Caress of Steel is very overlooked, as well as "The Analog Kid" on Signals. I really think that Caress of Steel in general is very overlooked, signals not so much considering it has 2 big hits on it one being "Subdivisions" and the other, "New World Man" of course.
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Endless Wire
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:36 | |
I have always really liked '39, it's absolutely beautiful. It doesn't get much attention either.
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crimhead
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:47 | |
Endless Enigma,ELP...Trilogy is an overlooked album in general. When people talk about ELP it is usually BSS,ELP,Tarkus,Pics,Works. IMHO seldom is Trilogy talked about.
I like the melodies on Trilogy, the synth work is great. |
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Cylli Kat
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:38 | |
Good point, Endless Wire! Very, very beautiful, graceful song. Plus, '39 has Brian May doing the lead vocal if memory serves... I'd also offer "Bijou" from "Innuendo" for consideration, as the title track and "The Show Must Go On" seem to overshadow it. Edited by Cylli Kat - March 08 2008 at 02:43 |
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Raff
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:39 | |
"Learning to Live" is probably my favourite DT song of all those I've heard so far, and I think I pointed that out in my I&W review. I don't agree with "Epitaph" being overlooked at all... That distinction might rather go to "I Talk to the Wind", which is a great song too easily dismissed. Another of my 'overlooked' favourites is VDGG's "Lemmings" from Pawn Hearts - in my opinion, one of the best album openers in prog, but all too often forgotten in favour of "Man-Erg" and "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers". |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:42 | |
Two from the same album: "Abandon Ship!" and "In Babelsberg" from VdGG's reunion album "Present". When someone mentions that album it is aways "Every Bloody Emperor" and "Nutter Alert" that get the credits, but I think people are really missing out here. The self-irony of "Abandon Ship!", lyrically as well as musically (one can literally see the heptagenarians totter along to that bumbling rhythm) always gives me a laugh; who but Hammill could have thought of lines like "Oh, the heptagenarians got behind the desks" or "at the lifeboat station there's a mounting panic... they're going overboard for this one - abandon ship!". And "In Babelsberg" is a really heavy rocker, driven by the dirty guitar of Hammill and the equally dirty sax of Jackson, while Banton is pounding away on a bass guitar for a change.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 02:48 | |
many of the Tull bonus tracks are excellent and could have been included on the final cuts of the original albums, sucha as 'Paradise Steakhouse', 'Love Story', 'Saturation', 'Kelpie'
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 03:17 | |
Definitely "Blue Jay Way" from The Beatles. That's my favorite song of theirs and I've never seen it talked about...
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 03:49 | |
Some really good suggestions of overlooked songs have been made here. I think that Can-Utility was an excellent example for the topic that The T wished to speak upon, and I think that these songs that have also been suggested fit the category very well indeed. Siberian Khatru (overshadowed by TWO masterpieces.)
Sequent C (really good, but who remembers it compared to Phaedra?)
One More Red Nightmare (only really gets mentioned when we discuss Bruford)
Summer '68 (we really don't discuss Atom Heart Mother enough, but if we did, this would qualify.)
A Venture (another good track that is overshadowed by an entire album)
Now the obvious thing to point out is that the ones that I think fit as examples all face opposition that is not just of higher quality, but actually is defining in their genre. The LESS obvious thing to point out (and it appears to be true for all of the ones that I think really fit this idea of being overlooked) is that the overlooked tracks are in a SIGNIFICANTLY different style.
That said, let me give you my list of overlooked tracks.
Camel -- Supertwister (An exquisite short, jazzy tune that has to compete with both Lady Fantasy and Nimrodel)
Steve Hackett -- The Virgin and the Gypsy (Wow, what a great tune, but with a much more simple grandeur excepting the vocals than the other highlights of the album.)
King Crimson -- Matte Kudasai (A great song without all of the great twists that characterize the rest of this album.)
PFM -- Generale (A jazzy work on this most progressive of albums.)
Rush -- Tears (The meditative mood contrasts strongly with the rest of 2112.)
UK -- The Only Thing She Needs (This throwback to the first album had the misfortune of being place on the same disc as Carrying No Cross.)
Yes -- Turn of the Century -- (The exception that proves the rule, as this one is very much in the vein of Awaken.)
Anybody else have a theory on WHY we think certain songs are overlooked? Edited by ghost_of_morphy - March 08 2008 at 03:53 |
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Zargus
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 05:15 | |
Well i can only think of one right now.. It. From the Lamb what a superb way to end that masterpiece. And yet when the great song from that album is talked about i never hear anyone talk about It, it got Hackett's best riff ever and its yust amazingly chatchy. That song always makes me stand up and dance cant think of many songs that do that..
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 05:30 | |
the Lamb has a lot of danceable tracks; I remember that when it came out the first and second side of it were usually played in completeness on parties of my parents, with people switching from wild shaking to clutchin' and grabbin' throughout the tracks. the more experimental sides 3 and 4 were less fitted for this though, although there is of course the occasional dancing tune there too. but I have yet to see people dancing to "Waiting Room" (though I think it would be great for a ballet) Edited by BaldJean - March 08 2008 at 05:30 |
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