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laplace 
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Posted: March 02 2008 at 09:05 |
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dot dot dot here's a little reminder for people who forgot the epics of a fairly good band:
1. Kohntarkosz, part I
2. Kohntarkosz, part II
3. Theusz Hamtaahk
4. MDK (Mekanik Kommandoh vers.)
5. K.A., part II
6. K.A., part III
7. Wurdah Itah
8. Retrovision (heh)
9. Udu Wudu (Jannick Top vers.)
10. Riah Sahiltaak
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(plus four ten minute+ tracks on their debut but people have scary min. reqs. for their epics these days)
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11. Tubular Bells, part I
Edited by laplace - March 02 2008 at 09:07
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Evandro Martini
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Posted: March 02 2008 at 08:58 |
1. Close to the Edge - Yes
2. Supper's Ready - Genesis
3. The Gates of Delirium - Yes
4. Karn Evil 9 - ELP
5. Histoires sans paroles - Harmonium
6. Tarkus - ELP
7. Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull
8. Nine Feet Underground - Caravan
9. Shine on you crazy diamond - Pink Floyd
10. Duel with the devil - TransAtlantic
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Abstrakt
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Posted: March 02 2008 at 05:47 |
Oops, forgot these:
The Flower Kings - World of Adventures (13 min)
The Flower Kings - Big Puzzle (13 min)
The Flower Kings - Stardust we Are (25 min)
The Flower Kings - Garden of Dreams (59 min) (They could've made an album called Garden of Dreams, that included all the parts as seperate tracks instead!)
The Flower Kings - I am the Sun (??+?? min)
Uriah Heep - Paradise / The Spell (12 min) (Unsure if it counts)
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (22+25min) (Unsure if it counts)
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 15:36 |
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No Order...
1 Passion Play both parts! - Jethro Tull
2 Song for America - Kansas
3 Echoes - Pink Floyd (this one will never leave)
4 Yours is no Disgrace - Yes
5 Perpetual Change - Yes
6 Bring me to the Power - Yes
7 Mind Drive - Yes
8 Paradise/The Spell - Uriah Heep
9 Death Walks Behind You (the entire album lol) - Atomic Rooster
10 Aries - Supertramp (marvellous, seems like Jethro Tull, a pitty that the rest of the album does me nothing)
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 15:30 |
 BaldJean wrote:
I also consider the first album of Hatfield and the North to be one great epic of 46:12 length. sure, the tracks all have different names, but musically flow into each other, and the album ends as it begins
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Very true  . While in The Rotters' Club the various tracks can be considered as individual entities (more or less), on their self-titled debut it is not so, even if the tracks have separate titles - they can in fact be considered as movements of the same piece of music.
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 14:07 |
In no order whatsoever. First the "obvious": (a bit unsure of the timing)
- Genesis - Suppers Ready (22 min)
- Yes - Close to The Edge (18 min)
- Yes - The Gates of Delerium (24 min)
- VDGG - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers (23 min)
- Pink Floyd - Shine on You Crazy Diamond (13+13 min)
- Pink Floyd - Dogs (17 min)
And then some personal taste:
- Bo Hansson - Migration Suite (16 min)
- Bo Hansson - Storstad (11 min)
- Eloy - Land of No Body (17 min)
- Eloy - Light from Deep Darkness (14 min)
- Caravan - Nine Feet Underground (22 min)
- Caravan - Can't be Long now/Francoise/For Richard/Warlock (14 min)
- Camel - Lady Fantasy (12 min)
- Uriah Heep - Salisbury (16 min)
- Hatfield and the North - Mumps (20 min)
And two that i see as epics, but are split in a bunch of songs:
- Eloy - Dawn Part 1 (Awakening/Between the Times, Suite/The Sun Song/The Dance in Doubt and Fear/Lost, The Introduction) (22 min)
- Eloy - Dawn Part 2 (Lost, The Decision/The Midnight Fight/The Victory of Metal Force/Gliding into Light and Knowledge/Je Reveil the Soleil/The Dawn) (25 min)
Now that was a waste of time!
Edited by Abstrakt - March 01 2008 at 14:19
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 07:52 |
Zargus wrote:
Eh.. no one mentioned Egg's superb epic and suitable titled: Long piece No.3, and allso Hatfield and the north's epic Mumps never get any atention, Dave Stewart on organ, music dont get much beter then that.  |
I also consider the first album of Hatfield and the North to be one great epic of 46:12 length. sure, the tracks all have different names, but musically flow into each other, and the album ends as it begins
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Zargus
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 06:07 |
Eh.. no one mentioned Egg's superb epic and suitable titled: Long piece No.3, and allso Hatfield and the north's epic Mumps never get any atention, Dave Stewart on organ, music dont get much beter then that.
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 14:35 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
It's not even so much the noisiness as it is that
1) they all just sound like they're playing random notes at times
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2) there is that cool part where they all seem to come back together... but it takes far too long to get to
...and "Soon" isn't as, I dunno...."beautiful" as people make it out to be IMO. I can absolutely see why it is so highly regarded, it's a technical masterpiece and a quintessential piece of prog... but can it stand up to the likes of Starship Trooper, Close To The Edge, and Awaken?... hmmm just not sure it can. I really think the band was at it's best when Wakeman was making his classical influence heard. I really miss the haunting church organ passages that are absent on Relayer. |
as I said, I personally consider "The Gates of Delirium" to be a lot better than the in my opinion overrated "Close to the Edge". but we seem to come from the opposite sides of the prog spectrum
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 13:30 |
It's not even so much the noisiness as it is that
1) they all just sound like they're playing random notes at times
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2) there is that cool part where they all seem to come back together... but it takes far too long to get to
...and "Soon" isn't as, I dunno...."beautiful" as people make it out to be IMO. I can absolutely see why it is so highly regarded, it's a technical masterpiece and a quintessential piece of prog... but can it stand up to the likes of Starship Trooper, Close To The Edge, and Awaken?... hmmm just not sure it can. I really think the band was at it's best when Wakeman was making his classical influence heard. I really miss the haunting church organ passages that are absent on Relayer.
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"and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 18:44 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
[QUOTE=SilverEclipse]This being said, I don't dislike the album or song, and I try to listen to it as often as I listen to their other albums, but it is definitely a more difficult listen for me. |
That's a better way to put tGoD. A very difficult listen for me.
I think Sound Chaser is cut from the same mold but is a lot more refined. I love that song.
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I never had any problems listening to "Gates of Delirium"; on the contrary, I was pleasantly surprised by Yes, because usually they don't go into noisy territory and are a bit too tame for my taste (which is why "Close to the Edge" only gets 4 stars from me and not 5), but I can see why fans of Yes may have their problem with that epic. since I am used to epics like "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" or "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandöh", which both are a lot noisier, "The Gates of Delirium" was not difficult to digest at all
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 14:33 |
rushfan4 wrote:
[QUOTE=SilverEclipse]This being said, I don't dislike the album or song, and I try to listen to it as often as I listen to their other albums, but it is definitely a more difficult listen for me. |
That's a better way to put tGoD. A very difficult listen for me. I think Sound Chaser is cut from the same mold but is a lot more refined. I love that song.
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 04:07 |
is it ok to include anything, not just prog?
1. A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - Van der Graaf Generator
2. Supper's Ready - Genesis
3. Mode D: Trio and Group Dancers (Stop! Look! And Sing Songs of Revolutions!) - Charles Mingus
4. Tabula Rasa - Arvo Pärt
5. Histoires sans paroles - Harmonium
6. Tarkus - ELP
7. Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull
8. Köhntarkösz - Magma
9. Close to the Edge - Yes
10. Les Porches de Notre Dame - Maneige
Other options: The Gates of Delirium, Hamburger Concerto, In the land of Grey and Pink, Dogs, Lizard, 299/792 km/s,
Edited by MusicalSalmacis - February 28 2008 at 04:17
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 17:56 |
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Epics are minimum 15 minutes long.
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Couldn't disagree more. An epic is (just my opinion, working off the traditional meaning of the word) a self-contained story or 'fully' explored theme, musically and/or lyrically. Generally, they are quite long, but a minimum time length is silly. Hence I'd consider The Knife and Get Em Out By Friday epics, while I wouldn't consider Epitaph an epic, even though it's longer. I think the serious issue with an epics top is that people completely disagree on what exactly an epic is. Plus, there's a terrifying chance that the rather mediocre The Gates of Delirium might win.
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Any other Yes fans find The Gates of Delirium to be noisy and annoying more than anything else? |
Yes. Yes indeed. From what I've heard, and always changing. 1. Telegraph Road - Dire Straits 2. Tarkus - ELP 3. Get Em Out By Friday - Genesis 4. 2112 - Rush 5. Les Porches - Maneige 6. Pictures Of A City - King Crimson 7. Lady Fantasy - Camel 8. Thick As A Brick - Jethro Tull (based on the music alone, it would have been higher, but it only gets in by its parody of a traditional epic format) 9. And You And I - Yes 10. Islands - King Crimson
Edited by TGM: Orb - February 28 2008 at 14:58
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 15:05 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
Any other Yes fans find The Gates of Delirium to be noisy and annoying more than anything else? I find that song to be grossly overrated around here.
Anyhoo...I think The Dark Side of the Moon has to be #1... it was originally conceived as a complete piece called "Eclipse: a piece for assorted lunatics", and almost always played in it's entirety live by Floyd, Waters, and a lot of Pink Floyd cover bands. |
I wouldn't say "overrated" because like many on PA I think the use of this word if extremely overrated. However, I agree with you regarding the Gates of Delerium as being too noisy. Relayer is the one album from Yes that I have a hard time listening to. I mentioned this in another recent thread regarding Relayer specifically, it is either the sound of Steve Howe's steel guitar or the sound of Patrick Moraz on keys but I strongly dislike whatever it is that is making the irritating sound throughout the entire song and it does come across to me as more noise than music.
This being said, I don't dislike the album or song, and I try to listen to it as often as I listen to their other albums, but it is definitely a more difficult listen for me.
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 14:55 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
Any other Yes fans find The Gates of Delirium to be noisy and annoying more than anything else? |
No.
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 14:54 |
1. Dream Theater - All of Metropolis pt. 1+2 [I can't believe no one's thought of that yet  ]
2. Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize
3. Rush - 2112
4. Pink Floyd - Shine on You Crazy Diamond
5. Yes - Close to the Edge
6. Symphony X - The Odyssey
7. ELP - Karn Evil
8. Dream Theater - Octavarium
9. Genesis - Supper's Ready
10. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 14:46 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
Any other Yes fans find The Gates of Delirium to be noisy and annoying more than anything else? I find that song to be grossly overrated around here. |
it is noisy, very noisy, but that's exactly why it is a lot better than "Close to the Edge", which is too tame for my taste. I find "Close to the Edge" to be a lot overrated here
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 14:08 |
Any other Yes fans find The Gates of Delirium to be noisy and annoying more than anything else? I find that song to be grossly overrated around here.
Anyhoo...I think The Dark Side of the Moon has to be #1... it was originally conceived as a complete piece called "Eclipse: a piece for assorted lunatics", and almost always played in it's entirety live by Floyd, Waters, and a lot of Pink Floyd cover bands.
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 19:56 |
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1. Genesis - Supper's Ready
2. The Decemberists - The Tain
3. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
4. The Mars Volta - Tetragrammaton
5. Yes - Close to the Edge
6. Il Balletto Di Bronzo - Introduzione
7. Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize
8. Pink Floyd - Dogs
9. Harmonium - Histoire Sans Paroles
10. Dream Theater - Octavarium
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