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Easy Livin 
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 Posted: February 07 2008 at 03:50 |
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No doubt about your sincerity ED, and due sympathy to Steve for his loss.
It ain't prog news though.
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Peter
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 09:04 |
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E-dub, I was very careful in my post. I did not doubt your sincerity, nor did I "toss about" adjectives carelessly or hurtfully. I thought that the topic was setting a troubling precedent -- basically asking us to mourn for the relation of a musician, not (as we often see) for a deceased musician, with whom we might logically have felt some connection.
Essentially, what occurred was the death of a stranger, and of a senior citizen at that. If death via aging and the normal passing of time is truly tragic, then life itself is tragic, as we are all fated to die (the best we can hope for is that our passing is due to old age), and perhaps, therefore, we should always be condoling each other on our mortality.
I was wondering where we draw the line: the parent of a musician, the child of a musician, the sibling, uncle, aunt, grandparent, friend, roadie or manager?
Strangers are dying all around us, every minute of every day. Just a few days ago, some seventy were horrifically slaughtered in Baghdad, blown to pieces when terrorists used two mentally disabled women, with remotely-detonated explosive jackets, to wander into crowds of people at markets, people who were only seeking the necessities of life. None of those people got to die as a result of reaching old age, nor did we mourn their tragic, untimely passing here.
How can we write that the death of one elderly woman is "very sad, " and that she was "one of the good ones" if we did not know her? As we are not moved to tears by the passing of every elderly person, or every nameless, faceless (to us) child who starves or dies of disease in some war-torn country, why should the passing of the relations of celebrities be different, or news-worthy?
Should we have a thread asking who here among us has been touched by death in the family, or among friends (you and I have), and have everyone here feel they have to express sympathy for everyone else (or else risk appearing uncaring)? Though we "know" each other better (I'll wager) than we "knew" Hogarth's mother, would that be appropriate, and would the automatic condolences of people we've never met really ring true?
 I don't know -- I understand where you're coming from on this, but I think a Marillion forum would have been a more fitting place for those posts, and I thought such a thread here set a troubling precedent. I don't think I was alone in feeling that way; there was a relative lack of response to the thread.I'm sorry if my comments on this matter, then or now, cause you any pain -- that was not my aim. I just thought the topic misplaced here, not truly tragic (again, unless ANY death is tragic), could lead to an endless parade of such threads (all musicians & members have parents & families), and that people should not feel compelled to fall into line to express express what might be less than entirely genuine sadness at the passing of every stranger. (I think that veers upon insincerity, and poor taste. As I said, we don't attend the funerals of total strangers, nor would we be welcome there.)
 Sorry.Edited by Peter - February 07 2008 at 09:07 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 09:12 |
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As far as I'm concerned, this issue is closed. Everybody had an opportunity to voice their opinion, and I thought I was well within my rights to do the same. It's all a matter of opinion, as Hogarth is somebody with whom I hold the utmost respect and I found it relevant to pass it along.
All good on this end. E |
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: February 10 2008 at 16:21 |
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Where the heck is the Genesis reunion thread gone now ?????????????????
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Dean
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Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:23 |
which one do you want?
or the JFF one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43284
or perhaps you mean another one.
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micky
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Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:45 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 11:02 |
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Those links are not working. I just get a freakin outline and then the hour glass goes poof ! Sinister forces are at work here.
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Dean
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 13:33 |
  They work for me, but that may be due to my superpowers and special skills.
Could someone else try them and report back here please?
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:12 |
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They worked for me too.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:18 |
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The links worked for me, too. I must have superpowers and skills unknown to me, cool.
 Edited by Slartibartfast - February 11 2008 at 14:18 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dean
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:29 |
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^ we live in hope Brian
Thanks guys - looks like either the problem's gone away, it's localised to Vib's connection or Messrs Gabriel and Hackett have special powers too.
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: February 11 2008 at 15:28 |
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I`ve got this workopolis crap popping up on my screen as well. The invasion has commenced. It`s time to release the dogs. The world needs purification. This reliance on computers has gone too far.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 21:40 |
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I'm lost as to the direction this thread has taken
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mrgd
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 00:19 |
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Now, I for one am mortified at the termination of the ol' 'Kiss of Death' thread which seems to have outlived it's use by date without even as much as a death notice - [i.e. a reason, in funereal speak].
The fact that the thread may well have been slowly suffocating under the weight of it's own morbidity seems largely irrelevant to where i'm sitting, here on the unsalubrious side of the Styx . I guess the arrow through the heart from my point of view, is that it was so unceremoniously delivered without mine being the last post which, I might say, gives this thread new hope and, if you like, a kind of renaissance in a not of this worldly kind of way . So, in conclusion.......I hope I make myself perfectly clear . 
Now, which way to the wake? |
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Looking still the same after all these years...
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Angelo
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 15:53 |
Workopolis - is that ad-related? If so, please report it in the bugs section, this might be another one for M@X to look into. Otherwise, have you checked for Dementors?  |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: February 13 2008 at 16:00 |
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Yeah it`s a stupid ad. I`ll report it next time it comes up.
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mrgd
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Joined: December 02 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 822 |
Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:29 |
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Workopolis schmorkopolis..........
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Looking still the same after all these years...
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:33 |
isn't this the mythical Greek kingdom? |
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mrgd
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 19:04 |
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Yes, it's steeped in mythology .
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Looking still the same after all these years...
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mrgd
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Posted: February 26 2008 at 23:14 |
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YES...........KOD lives on....... 'cause it's happening again .[ I always knew it would].
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Looking still the same after all these years...
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