Why do topics get closed ?
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Topic: Why do topics get closed ?
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Subject: Why do topics get closed ?
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 10:55
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I don`t know why some people take it upon themselves to play god and just step in and say " OK I`ve had enough of this " I`m not just refering to some of my threads which may have struck some nerves in some people that have been shot down over the years but this morning I spent a few minutes of my time responding to a thread which contained issues that I consider to be important to the very survival of music itself and then poof ! it`s gone. I`m refering to the "help us fight piracy thread". Wouldn`t it be better to offer some reasoning or logic or be a little more diplomatic about it. I was going to contribute another review today but now I can`t because of time lost and frustration.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 11:04
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Almost all the times, admins specify why the thread is closed. Regarding that "help against piracy" thread, I think it was an invitation to register and sign a petition somewhere, which had the tendency to turn into a discussion/debate about music pirating. ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 11:51
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We do try to avoid closing threads, preferring where possible to get them back on track. Some subjects though become just too difficult to control. People ignore the site rules and either attack other members, countries, religions etc., or promote some sort of illegal activity. These tend to be the main subjects which result in thread closures.
In the case of the thread you mention Vibe, the illegal activity brigade once again decided that boasting of their activities was more important than complying with the rules. There are a number of posts which have been hidden in it.
Bottom line is, don't blame the admin team for the closures, blame those who compel us to do it.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 11:57
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OK . But I wrote something in support of the guy trying to make a living playing music and by the time I hit the post reply button the thread was "plutoed". I was going AGAINST the illegall activity brigade.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 13:47
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I'm just bummed I didn't get the opportunity to make witty comments about guys with wooden legs, hooks for hands, and parrots on their shoulders... (sigh) I swear after that I would have had something serious to say. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 13:58
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I understand the reasoning behind closing such threads - but in the case of illegal downloading it may be better to hide offensive posts than to close the thread. Of course the quoting mechanism is a problem here ... in the end you (Vibrationbaby) have the right to feel bad because a thread you started with the best intention is closed, but you also have to understand that the admins feel responsible for upholding certain standards, but at the same time they may be busy with real life activities and sometimes closing a thread can be the only solution for the time being.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 14:05
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I want discussions to continue wherever they go, unless the creator has a problem with it. I felt compelled to engage the people who refuse to even accept the possible upsides to (currently illegal) downloading. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 14:56
Oh you admins are such killjoys.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:07
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I'm going to close this thread now...
ONLY JOKING!!!!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:12
I'm not an admin!  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:17
It's true that sometimes people might feel like they have no other choice than downloading an album, for example if they live in a country where music is not as readily available as it is in most western countries. But this is as far as I will go ... and especially for people who live in the U.S., Canada, England or Germany there is no excuse for not using Napster IMHO. But let's continue this discussion in the other thread, if at all possible.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:19
The illegal downloading issue is a very sensitive one Stonie. The site itself cannot be seen as promoting it in any way. So, best to play it safe. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:36
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No one plays God here...
Many threads are closed for further discussion among the Admins and forum members and in some cases they were re-opened.
Quotes and direct responses to a hidden post generally spoil greatly a thread and then it's almost impossible to let it roll.
Anyway, the forum used (Get The Word Out) sounded as an invitation to join the sites and continue the discussion there; IMO the message was addressed. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:39
Good joke though it is, good thing I wasn't drinking something hot when I read it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:41
It's not about refusing to accept future possibilites. It's fine to discuss the future!. The industry is going to change as you guys pointed out, fine. Nevertheless, until the new system is in place and operation, stealing is stealing, and justitications for it are not relevent. None of us get to make up the laws as we think they should be in our perfect world. That's all I'm saying. Cheers!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 16:01
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It looks like the thread is rejuevenating itself. All I`m going to say is that I don`t know how to download at all ! And I`m sort of proud of the fact.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: January 29 2008 at 16:35
Your signature quote says it all, Ian. 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 11:19
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Wow ! Someone got it ! I `m using somewhat figuratively here but just out of interest here`s where I got it. Back in the 1940s the US atmospheric environmental services started flying into eyes of hurricaines for research purposes. Well, the air in the eye of the hurricaine is very stable the tricky part in those days was entering into that area. One of the first aircraft used for these purposes were ex USAF B-25 medium-bombers which were converted into crude research platforms. This guy was the navigator aboard the first of these aircraft to penetrate a Hurricaines eye, and this was one of his first comments to the media after the flight. For some reason it has stuck in my head for years and I apply it to various situations when appropriate. ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 11:41
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Mike pointed out something that I feel the need to re-iterate. When people quote offensive posts it makes it very hard to just delete the offensive posts and still make the thread coherent,because their posts have to be deleted too. -------------  |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 11:51
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Wha t the heck is so offensive about explaining my signature ? I don`t know about this site anymore. Really. It`s a bloody personal expression I`ve been using for years in a humourous fashion and a lot of my friends and collegues get a kick out of it when I explain it. You guys have to take some happy pills. This is why I`m losing interest in the forums.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 12:22
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^ who was complaining about your post? Certainly not TheProgtologist, he was simply making a general remark about quoting offensive posts.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 12:34
Talk about needing to take happy pills....
I wasn't talking about your post in this thread VB.
I was talking about quoting offensive posts in threads that degrade and need closed.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 14:16
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Sometimes I wish we could simply go back to just listening to music ... ah the old days!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 15:38
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I heard that,my friend. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 16:10
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I just got three people to have a gander at what you posted before noon just to make sure I`m not going completely insane and each one said that it seemed to them, as it seemed to me, that it was meant as a response to my previous post. I`m sorry if I took it the wrong way. Friendship Peace, Love. But .......... at the same time, if someone doesn`t want to participate in a thread or takes offence to it it`s like watching TV, they can change the channel. If they want to get into the fray then get into the fray. I dunno. ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 16:50
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it's highly unlikely Progtologist's statement could be inferred as being about your posts here, Vib, and I suspect those three people just didn't understand the context |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 17:07
pssh... who does THAT anymore?? i remember there was a topic about drugs a while back, and the original intent of the topic was not to promote drug use, but it turned out like that anyway, with people saying they do this or that drug or whatever while listening to prog, i dont remember. the point is is that when discussing a controversial subject such as illegal downloading or drugs, it's bound to get out of hand. and from what ive seen, controversial subjects on this forum are always under the careful and watchful eyes of the admins, so watch yo'self! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 17:13
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Errrm.... weren't we just discussing Ian's signature? I am listening to music right now - firing up a freshly arrived copy of the new Ayreon album. Think I'll stay out of this hurrican further
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 17:21
I support the illegal downloading of illegal drugs.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 17:22
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^^^ Is that a case of two wrongs make a right??? ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 21:55
The thing I found strange was,your post wasn't offensive and you didn't quote anyone that made an offensive post(there are none in this thread).
So how could you think I was talking to you when the subject of my post was about people who quote offensive posts??
I just thought it was weird that you thought I was talking about you. ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 07:23
Well, I certainly think that if it were possible the drug dealers wouldn't be too happy about it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 11:41
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 13:27
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It`s like sweeping dirt under the rug. I`m relieved I didn`t start my capital punishment thread! I It just seems that the thought police are around every corner ready to pounce.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 14:04
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Some people seem to get a kick out of challenging anything they perceive as "authority".
The simple fact here is that the admin team are ordinary members like the rest, who have simply offered to give up some of their time helping the site to flourish. (And flourish it continues to do.)
No one is "playing God" here or even on an ego trip. We have a set of rules which were drawn up some time ago and agreed by the collaborators. All the admin team do is implement these rules.
We are actually very accommodating. We close or hide very few posts or threads. Sometimes though, members will decide that what they have to say is more important than sticking to the rules. They will therefore promote illegal activities, be abusive to other members/ cultures/ tastes etc., or use the forum for other selfish ends.
There are 2 reasons why we have to curtail such activity though.
- Like it or not, we are a part of the music industry. If the industry perceive us as working against them (by encouraging illegal downloading for example), we will lose their support and cooperation, and risk being closed down.
- All our members have the right to participate in the forum without fear of intimidation, abuse or personal attack
We make no apologies to those who believe their right of free speech over-rides all this. The site will prevail for the benefit of all, not just the selfish few.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 15:49
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I don`t get it. I was OPPOSING illegal downloading. I always have opposed downloading of any sort from anywhere. I might have said in one thread " Keep on Downloadin`" but it was meant in a very sarcastic manner because I was attempting to emphasize the damage downloading is causing to the music industry. Maybe we should have a little emoticon indicating Sarcasm. I don`t know.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 17:12
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My post was responding to the thread in general Vibe, and in particular to the question in its title. |
Posted By: allan Duul II
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 20:36
And a response to my deleted post no doubt |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:09
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Now where has the Most Classical Prog thread gone ?????????????????????????????????????????
Unless I`m really losing my marbles it vanished. Poof ! I was getting interested in it. Had to check something on a record then I come back to my freakin`computer and it`s gone ! ------------- |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:07
| That would be this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45877 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45877 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 20:46
I think it all boils down to they could tell you but they'd have to kill you.  
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:19
 Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you. As THEY say....
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 12:48
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Why do birds, fall down from the sky, every time, you walk by... ??? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:06
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Paranoid who`s paranoid ?
Ddid you hear that ? Where ? what was that ? over there
where ?
I can hear footsteps
it`s the mole people
the mole people are watching us
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 17:07
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 05:01
 At least this shows why certain threads do not get closed.
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Posted By: WideAngleWatcher
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 11:12
Because you touch yourself.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 16:07
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Catcher In the Rye anyone ? ------------- |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 18:10
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I didn't like that book much but does it have anything to do with "phony" people?
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 02:43
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I prefer Hiding in the Corn...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 07:55
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It is the mole people, isn't it?
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Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 09:57
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It's my impression that very few threads are closed by the admins. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they have to close a thread, because of the reactions that provokes. Matter of fact is: The admins do a fantastic job ! Thanks to y'all! ------------- "We've got to get in to get out" |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 11:11
 The cheque's in the post!!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:01
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:34
No. We have the real answer. It was.......Crab People Craaaaaaaab People Craaaaaaab People  -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:35
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click click click? Are you sure you aren't confusing them with the lobster people?, because I need to be afraid, very afraid... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:27
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I think they get closed because the staff have homes to go home to.
Either that, or it's the snake men again!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:30
Disiz dabest postyett!!! Ill showem! Illshowem ALL!------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:32
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 06 2008 at 08:43
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If I can explain the thread about Hogarth's mom passing away now that it's closed. I just figured it was newsworthy and I meant no disrespect. I just wanted to pass along the sad news. Had a lot of adjectives tossed about it, but being somebody who has lost a parent (my father 5 years ago), I know EXACTLY how it feels and how much it hurts (and how that hurt hasn't gone away). Don't think for a minute that I didn't know. There have been a lot of condolences sent H's way on the Marillion forum and thought the same could be done here. Maybe it wouldn't have come off as insincere had it been left in the prog news section, where I originally opened it before it was moved. I'll think twice next time. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 03:50
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No doubt about your sincerity ED, and due sympathy to Steve for his loss.
It ain't prog news though.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 09:04
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E-dub, I was very careful in my post. I did not doubt your sincerity, nor did I "toss about" adjectives carelessly or hurtfully. I thought that the topic was setting a troubling precedent -- basically asking us to mourn for the relation of a musician, not (as we often see) for a deceased musician, with whom we might logically have felt some connection.
Essentially, what occurred was the death of a stranger, and of a senior citizen at that. If death via aging and the normal passing of time is truly tragic, then life itself is tragic, as we are all fated to die (the best we can hope for is that our passing is due to old age), and perhaps, therefore, we should always be condoling each other on our mortality.
I was wondering where we draw the line: the parent of a musician, the child of a musician, the sibling, uncle, aunt, grandparent, friend, roadie or manager?
Strangers are dying all around us, every minute of every day. Just a few days ago, some seventy were horrifically slaughtered in Baghdad, blown to pieces when terrorists used two mentally disabled women, with remotely-detonated explosive jackets, to wander into crowds of people at markets, people who were only seeking the necessities of life. None of those people got to die as a result of reaching old age, nor did we mourn their tragic, untimely passing here.
How can we write that the death of one elderly woman is "very sad, " and that she was "one of the good ones" if we did not know her? As we are not moved to tears by the passing of every elderly person, or every nameless, faceless (to us) child who starves or dies of disease in some war-torn country, why should the passing of the relations of celebrities be different, or news-worthy?
Should we have a thread asking who here among us has been touched by death in the family, or among friends (you and I have), and have everyone here feel they have to express sympathy for everyone else (or else risk appearing uncaring)? Though we "know" each other better (I'll wager) than we "knew" Hogarth's mother, would that be appropriate, and would the automatic condolences of people we've never met really ring true?
 I don't know -- I understand where you're coming from on this, but I think a Marillion forum would have been a more fitting place for those posts, and I thought such a thread here set a troubling precedent. I don't think I was alone in feeling that way; there was a relative lack of response to the thread.I'm sorry if my comments on this matter, then or now, cause you any pain -- that was not my aim. I just thought the topic misplaced here, not truly tragic (again, unless ANY death is tragic), could lead to an endless parade of such threads (all musicians & members have parents & families), and that people should not feel compelled to fall into line to express express what might be less than entirely genuine sadness at the passing of every stranger. (I think that veers upon insincerity, and poor taste. As I said, we don't attend the funerals of total strangers, nor would we be welcome there.)
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 09:12
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As far as I'm concerned, this issue is closed. Everybody had an opportunity to voice their opinion, and I thought I was well within my rights to do the same. It's all a matter of opinion, as Hogarth is somebody with whom I hold the utmost respect and I found it relevant to pass it along. All good on this end. E -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 16:21
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Where the heck is the Genesis reunion thread gone now ????????????????? ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:23
which one do you want?
the PML one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45137 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45137
the PP one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43592 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43592
or the JFF one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43284 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43284
or perhaps you mean another one. ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:45
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 11:02
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Those links are not working. I just get a freakin outline and then the hour glass goes poof ! Sinister forces are at work here. ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 13:33
They work for me, but that may be due to my superpowers and special skills.
Could someone else try them and report back here please?
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:12
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They worked for me too. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:18
The links worked for me, too. I must have superpowers and skills unknown to me, cool.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 14:29
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^ we live in hope Brian
Thanks guys - looks like either the problem's gone away, it's localised to Vib's connection or Messrs Gabriel and Hackett have special powers too. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 15:28
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I`ve got this workopolis crap popping up on my screen as well. The invasion has commenced. It`s time to release the dogs. The world needs purification. This reliance on computers has gone too far.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 21:40
I'm lost as to the direction this thread has taken ------------- 
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 00:19
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Now, I for one am mortified at the termination of the ol' 'Kiss of Death' thread which seems to have outlived it's use by date without even as much as a death notice - [i.e. a reason, in funereal speak].
The fact that the thread may well have been slowly suffocating under the weight of it's own morbidity seems largely irrelevant to where i'm sitting, here on the unsalubrious side of the Styx . I guess the arrow through the heart from my point of view, is that it was so unceremoniously delivered without mine being the last post which, I might say, gives this thread new hope and, if you like, a kind of renaissance in a not of this worldly kind of way . So, in conclusion.......I hope I make myself perfectly clear .
Now, which way to the wake? ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 15:53
Workopolis - is that ad-related? If so, please report it in the bugs section, this might be another one for M@X to look into. Otherwise, have you checked for Dementors? ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 16:00
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Yeah it`s a stupid ad. I`ll report it next time it comes up.
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:29
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Workopolis schmorkopolis.......... ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:33
isn't this the mythical Greek kingdom? |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 19:04
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Yes, it's steeped in mythology . ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 26 2008 at 23:14
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YES...........KOD lives on....... 'cause it's happening again .[ I always knew it would].
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