Yes,ELP= Dream Theater ?

Ghandi 2 wrote: rileydog22 wrote: Lucent wrote: puma wrote: Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14? And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater? Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment towards a certain type of prog over another.  It's close minded, thus right winged. Wow, that's deep.  Right and left winged refer to politics, not being "close-minded." You could argue that it is "conservative" to prefer '70s symph, but that is something different (the terms are politically used intergangably because the right is usually also resistant to change), so calling it "right wing" is just stupid[i/]. It's dangerous to use words when you don't have a full grasp of their meaning. Although saying Dream Theater (or any other group) is twice the band of any '70s group is a stupid thing to say, anyway (regardless of your preferences, saying something like that only demonstrates ignorance), and since they are easily the most popular prog-metal band, I'm not sure how much more "open-minded" it makes you.   That was especially silly since politically most people here are practically bloody Communists. ;-)   I agree that '70s prog is dying, but does that change anything? Traditional Classical music is dead, but I still like it (and I like 20th Century Classical music as well).

I understand that; I was sarcastically calling Lucent's statement "deep" because of how wrong he was, not because his statement actually had depth or truth. 

Lucent wrote: steve j wrote: I am new around here, and I cannot believe the slating Dream Theater get.  I would say, if you cannot say anything positive then move onto the next forum. Get used to it, man.  Everyone on this forum (probably exception me) is so right winged, it's disgusting.  Thank you for being open minded :3

Yeah, that's very open-minded: if you have nothing to say that I like, don't say it.

Lucent wrote: puma wrote: Lucent wrote: [QUOTE=puma]Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14? And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater? Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment towards a certain type of prog over another.  It's close minded, thus right winged. Right wing is a political orientation, dude. It has absolutely nothing to do with music in any way, and basically it will destroy the validity of any argument you try to make from now on. It's the same type of thinking is what I'm getting at here.

Edited by Ghandi 2 - October 19 2007 at 22:37

There's too much of: *insert band 1* are fantastic, and *insert band 2* are crap. Come on. No band was perfect. Someone stand up for YES's 'Union' and explain why it is beyond criticism. And no balanced listener could call DREAM THEATER crap. You may not like them, but there's a world of difference between dislike and a dismissively negative judgement. I actively dislike ELP, but I'm not foolish enough to think that my subjective opinion makes them objectively crap. I respect the opinions of those who are able to articulate the reasons WHY a band is worthwhile.

I'm fascinated by the DT/ELP link: the common view is that both bands indulge in a fair amount of so-called pointless soloing. I'm bemused that people would in the one breath criticise DT for soloing and in the next laud ELP. Make sense to you?

The notion that DT can be summed up in one sentence puzzles me. They play ballads, AOR, speed metal, progressive metal and plenty of symphonic prog. Some of their music is complex (e.g. 'Dance of Eternity') and some is simple (e.g. 'The Spirit Carries On'). Their career has been patchy, but that's hardly a crime. They are wholehearted, giving of everything they have on every album and at every performance. I don't think they've perpetrated a 'Love Beach' or a 'Union'. But, as the most visible representative of the prog-metal genre and recent prog music in general, they do seem to be a touchstone for those who feel the need to disparage the younger generation's prog revival. They are certainly not the most lyrically taxing band, nor are they as demanding a listen as HENRY COW or SLEEPYTIME GORILLA MUSEUM. They do have their cheesy and gauche moments. But they have drawn bucketloads of fans from metal to prog rock: not a bad thing.

Sorry for the rant (though not sorry enough to edit it).

Please

warwick wrote: I think ELP lyrics are excellent, musicanship is simply awesome, whereas DT lyrics are childish at best and their songs are clichee'd and artificial. Yes is perfection everywhere in their golden period, so let's not even touch them.

I agree about the ELP musicianship and the cliche cheesy lyrics of DT but if Yes were perfection everywhere in their golden period then how come not every song is as good as close to the edge?

There is no such thing as perfection in the music world.

I don't know about anybody else but i happen to enjoy Elp, Yes and Dream Theater. Is there anybody else out there who likes all three?!  As for those who say Dream Theater is cold and mechanical with no real feeling .. to each his own opinion i guess but all i can say is that yes its technical but every time i listen to The Dance of Eternity for example i get chills all over my body and it makes me feel great. Likewise Ive had similar experiences with Elp and Yes. All three of these bands genuinely make me feel good...

Lucent wrote: Get used to it, man.  Everyone on this forum (probably exception me) is so right winged, it's disgusting.  Thank you for being open minded :3

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 20 2007 at 13:42

Sunhillow_ wrote:   2 - this forum is intented to be a place of prog rock talking, right?  ok... so ppl should keep the talking about prog rock and avoid fighting each other...

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 20 2007 at 17:30

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Lucent wrote: Get used to it, man.  Everyone on this forum (probably exception me) is so right winged, it's disgusting.  Thank you for being open minded :3   I don't like Dream Theater and am a confessed Right Wionger...So what's the relation?   You don't like right wingers, i don't like anything related with the left spectrum of politics, but i reaspect the right of every person to have the position they want, maybe if you had lived in a country where a Communist President destroyed our economy and Maoist terrorists caused more than 30,000 deaths you would think different.   But, I don't care about your political position at all and it has no relation with your musical taste, think before you talk, because this is pure BS.   I have commuinist friends who hate Rock, Prog, Metal and everything, while a lot of right winged friends don't understand why I don't like Dream Theater.   Iván

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