Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Suggest New Bands and Artists
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Black Sabbath
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedBlack Sabbath

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 234
Author
Message
Yukorin View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 21 2005
Location: Japan
Status: Offline
Points: 1589
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 12:15
 
Slight misundestanding I think guys. Lets all hug a tree
Back to Top
Yukorin View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 21 2005
Location: Japan
Status: Offline
Points: 1589
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 12:17
 
I'm hugging a G-cup tree by the way. Yes they exist in Japan
Back to Top
debrewguy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 30 2007
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3596
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 13:03
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Undoubtely, Black Sabbath influenced the whole metal and heavy rock scene, and that includes Heavy Prog and Prog Metal. So, they could be here as Proto Prog.
They're not considered progressive, but the huge influence is obvious!
 
from a historical perspective, Sabbath can only be Prog Related. >> first album in 70
 
I think that the addition of Zeppelin (I was against it) changed a few things perspective-wise on this site.
 
But from a historical AND musical perpective, it would be wiser to have Purple and The Who changed to Prog Related. I always thought The Who  (I would've voted against their inclusion if Zep had not gotten the inclusion before) was absurd in Proto, since Tommy is 69 (as is Crimson's ITCOTCK) and the prog era was 70's and not 60's.  As for Purple, it is only logical that their inclusion gets changed to prog related if both Zep and Sabbath are in (and all indications points that they will be in).

A gree    dddde !
If the Who are Proto, then how about Pretty Things & S.F. Sorrow ?  Ol' Petey admits that the album  moved him along the way to Tommy.  But  even without that comparison, at best the Who  &  Purple  are prog related.  DP's early stuff  did include some  mixing with classical music, but apart from April & the Concerto, the rest fitted in with some psych bands that liked to throw in the kitchen sink when it came to composition.
The one curveball with DP though, is that their career started before Prog (i.e. ITCOTCK) hit their creative peak during the initial prog heyday when there was such a rock critic construct known as progressive music, and continued successfully (define it as you will) until today.
Oh, and as for Sabbath, if you read enough reviews of the early 70s smaller stature groups, you will find enough references to Sab gloom, Sab dirge, Sab Dark, etc to make you wonder how they could put out a sound so identifiable and not be related to prog when our reviewers use them that often.
"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
Back to Top
Easy Livin View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: February 21 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 15585
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 14:56
OK, time to light the blue touch paper.Wink
 
Black Sabbath have been approved for addition as Prog related. This is a decision of the site owners (M@x), and at his specific request.
 
The admin team realise that this will be a controversial addition, indeed some members of that team do not support the inclusion. We are committed as a team though to ensuring that the addition does not result in any inappropriate posts, especially those which contravene the site rules on civility.
 
I can only emphasise again, for those who have difficulty with the concept, that this does not mean the site is saying Black Sabbath were a prog band. They are being added as prog related. Please check the definition of that category if you are unsure of it.
 
Inevitably, when the albums are added, there will be a flurry of initial reviews. These will quickly work themselves through though, and the front page will return to its familiar look.
 
I say again though, PLEASE KEEP FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ADDITION FRIENDLY AND CIVIL. Please also respect the right of the site owner, without whom there would be no site, to take the final decision on this.
Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 15:02
Clap  Clap

not for the addition of course ( Thumbs%20DownLOL) but for your post Bob... 


Edited by micky - October 07 2007 at 15:02
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65268
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 16:55
yes, very good post Bob.. and if people have problems, maybe they'll think twice about attacking the site if they know it was the owner's decision

 
Back to Top
debrewguy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 30 2007
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3596
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 20:07
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

yes, very good post Bob.. and if people have problems, maybe they'll think twice about attacking the site if they know it was the owner's decision

 

Maybe they'll bother to remember that it was "controversial" even within the admin team, and that in the final analysis, the request for complainers to revisit the definition of Prog-Related should be taken to heart before any whining about Sabbath not being prog.

Hey, maybe if Sabbath were German & spoke in oblique terms with pseudo-literary & "artiste"-like touches of snobbishness, then some would feel superior to others by reversing themselves & declaring their love for such a maligned group.
"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 20:13
Black Sabbath are not prog.  Angry
 
Tongue
 
Actually, I find some of their material quite proggy.  I would consider them borderline prog.  Definitely not a full-blown prog band, but probably close enough that their inclusion seems reasonable to me as prog-related.  I know you have all been waiting for the Doctor's stamp of approval and there you have it.  LOL
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 22:03
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

OK, time to light the blue touch paper.Wink
 
Black Sabbath have been approved for addition as Prog related. This is a decision of the site owners (M@x), and at his specific request.
 
The admin team realise that this will be a controversial addition, indeed some members of that team do not support the inclusion. We are committed as a team though to ensuring that the addition does not result in any inappropriate posts, especially those which contravene the site rules on civility.
 
I can only emphasise again, for those who have difficulty with the concept, that this does not mean the site is saying Black Sabbath were a prog band. They are being added as prog related. Please check the definition of that category if you are unsure of it.
 
Inevitably, when the albums are added, there will be a flurry of initial reviews. These will quickly work themselves through though, and the front page will return to its familiar look.
 
I say again though, PLEASE KEEP FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ADDITION FRIENDLY AND CIVIL. Please also respect the right of the site owner, without whom there would be no site, to take the final decision on this.
 
I still don't agree at all, but when the captain gives an order, the sailor has to obey, M@X surely knows what he wants for the site.
 
Iván
            
Back to Top
bhikkhu View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 06 2006
Location: A˛ Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 5109
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2007 at 23:58
Looks like I'll have to initiate another campaign to remind people that there is still a vast amount of true prog on this site.
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65268
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 00:03
yup


Back to Top
Cheesecakemouse View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 1751
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 00:25
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

OK, time to light the blue touch paper.Wink
 
Black Sabbath have been approved for addition as Prog related. This is a decision of the site owners (M@x), and at his specific request.
 
The admin team realise that this will be a controversial addition, indeed some members of that team do not support the inclusion. We are committed as a team though to ensuring that the addition does not result in any inappropriate posts, especially those which contravene the site rules on civility.
 
I can only emphasise again, for those who have difficulty with the concept, that this does not mean the site is saying Black Sabbath were a prog band. They are being added as prog related. Please check the definition of that category if you are unsure of it.
 
Inevitably, when the albums are added, there will be a flurry of initial reviews. These will quickly work themselves through though, and the front page will return to its familiar look.
 
I say again though, PLEASE KEEP FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ADDITION FRIENDLY AND CIVIL. Please also respect the right of the site owner, without whom there would be no site, to take the final decision on this.


YES!!!!ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap

THANKYOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20251
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 05:14
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

OK, time to light the blue touch paper.Wink
 
Black Sabbath have been approved for addition as Prog related. This is a decision of the site owners (M@x), and at his specific request.
 
The admin team realise that this will be a controversial addition, indeed some members of that team do not support the inclusion. We are committed as a team though to ensuring that the addition does not result in any inappropriate posts, especially those which contravene the site rules on civility.
 
I can only emphasise again, for those who have difficulty with the concept, that this does not mean the site is saying Black Sabbath were a prog band. They are being added as prog related. Please check the definition of that category if you are unsure of it.
 
Inevitably, when the albums are added, there will be a flurry of initial reviews. These will quickly work themselves through though, and the front page will return to its familiar look.
 
I say again though, PLEASE KEEP FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ADDITION FRIENDLY AND CIVIL. Please also respect the right of the site owner, without whom there would be no site, to take the final decision on this.
 
I still don't agree at all, but when the captain gives an order, the sailor has to obey, M@X surely knows what he wants for the site.
 
Iván
 
 
That's the spirit, mon ami!ClapWinkHug
 
After all I was opposed to an inclusion a few weeks ago (at least in a full blown prog category)  and kept civil about it , even if it did cause a certain fatgue and resulted in a lesser contribution in recent weeks.EmbarrassedWink
 
 
Actually I should be over with the bio in a few days an,d Raf will include the albums.
 
I am still working on the argumentation for their inclusion on the site, but plenty of those have been developped in the two threads.
 
 
 
 
PS: I was approached about Sab's inclusion around six weeks ago, so the threads of this last  two weeks were not influential to the group's inclusion on the PA.


Edited by Sean Trane - October 08 2007 at 05:25
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
Raff View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 05:23
Hugues, did you get my PM? I tried to come up with an argumentation, but perhaps that wasn't good enough....
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20251
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 05:26
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Hugues, did you get my PM? I tried to come up with an argumentation, but perhaps that wasn't good enough....
 
I got your reply, thanks
 
Hug
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:20
ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
 
At last some justice..... Of the bands that truly influenced progressive-metal, only one's still missing from here.... they were rejected by the owners so I won't push for their inclusion any further... But I'm very happy about Sabbath finally here in PROG RELATED WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT PROG.....
Back to Top
Raff View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:27
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
 
At last some justice..... Of the bands that truly influenced progressive-metal, only one's still missing from here.... they were rejected by the owners so I won't push for their inclusion any further... But I'm very happy about Sabbath finally here in PROG RELATED WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT PROG.....


LOLLOLLOLClap

What if we had a banner put on the home page that said exactly those same words?Wink
Back to Top
Evans View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 15 2006
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 3004
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:44
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
 
At last some justice..... Of the bands that truly influenced progressive-metal, only one's still missing from here.... they were rejected by the owners so I won't push for their inclusion any further... But I'm very happy about Sabbath finally here in PROG RELATED WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT PROG.....
Just out of curiosity, which one is that?

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:57
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
 
At last some justice..... Of the bands that truly influenced progressive-metal, only one's still missing from here.... they were rejected by the owners so I won't push for their inclusion any further... But I'm very happy about Sabbath finally here in PROG RELATED WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT PROG.....


LOLLOLLOLClap

What if we had a banner put on the home page that said exactly those same words?Wink
 
Someone would still say that "prog" and "related" and "sabbath" shoudn't go in the same sentence...LOLCry
 
And to Evans, well, let's just say that "the masters of puppets" here in PA have decided not to give "justice for all", just to some....LOLWink 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 234

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.203 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.