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Tony R

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 18:57

darqdean wrote:

I won a Steely Dan single (Dallas) at an Emperor Rosko roadshow in the 70's. I played it once hoping it was like Steeleye Span - it wasn't... I never played it again.

Emperor Rosko Roadshow?Steeleye Span?

as in "All around my hat"???

Dean some things are best left unsaid pal... LOL

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:07

micky wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

I've always considered them Jazz-Rock/Fusion.

fused with popular music....Xover most likely...

off the top of my head... you have to go to some heavy hitters like Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/RIchards, Neil Young, Roger Waters etc.. to find a better songwriter than Donald Fagen. Again... judged solely on the basis of their work, and done in a bubble.. .yeah they should probably be here. But artists... well known ones.. are not judged strictly on the music here... history/perception is... hell... has to be taken into account. It is with well known groups already here.. and those on the outside looking in. Where it becomes interesting is when artists are known for something... yet their career, is in fact, far more than that and touches HARD upon prog. That is where additions get tricky... and yes ...I refer to a particular artist hahahhaha Wink

I also think they became popular music but didn't necessarily fuse it in.

Edited by Slartibartfast - September 24 2007 at 19:09

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:16

Originally posted by <FONT color=#ff0000>icky micky</FONT>

icky micky wrote:

hahahhaha... that is does not...

let me say though Peter.. .that anti American thing is is not irrelevant, is alive, and always will be... in the larger umbrellla of 'not being known or considered as prog' Simple as that. I'd bet my paycheck.... that if Steely Dan were English.... they'd have been here since the day you joined. LOL Wink

You know why there aren't so many Canadian artists here? Because historically, we didn't have many prog artists.

Ditto the situation with America.

And where are all of the Chinese prog acts? Where's Belarus? (sob! choke! gulp!

)

Prog was: late 60s -- early 70s / mostly English (& European). None of us can help that. We can't change history.

Hey Mickelodeon, blues, jazz, country, punk, hip hop and rock and roll all came out of America -- that should be enough for you! And don't come up here after our water, cooler temperatures and HUGE TRACTS OF LAND either, you globe-warming b******s!

And why weren't there more American artists during the Middle Ages?

Anyway, as The Brew Guy suggests (and as I've said too many times) if we include a band like Steely Dan because "they were progressive for their genre," then the best (whatever that means), most creative (ditto) artists from other genres should be included as well. Were Flatt & Scruggs "prog country/bluegrass?" Was Marvin Gaye "prog motown?" Beethoven "prog classical?" were Menudo "prog boy band crap?"

Aaaaarrrggghhhh & hugs, etc,

Yer pal,

PS: the Spice Girls wuz English, as were the Wurzels, er, I mean, the Sex Pistols. let's add them next, under the "all English music is prog" plan....

Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 19:36

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:27

you are a piece of work Peter LOL

Looking forward to meeting you someday when I get back out west.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:29

Slartibartfast wrote:

micky wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

I've always considered them Jazz-Rock/Fusion.

I also think they became popular music but didn't necessarily fuse it in.

or simply... their music ...became popular. We are talking about a group that sure as hell wasn't playing to get groupies, fans. or promote their albums with touring LOL

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:34

Peter wrote:

And where are all of the Chinese prog acts?

That's a really good question, with all those people, there surely has to be some. Anyone out there that can enlighten us?

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:40

Slartibartfast wrote:

Peter wrote:

And where are all of the Chinese prog acts?

That's a really good question, with all those people, there surely has to be some. Anyone out there that can enlighten us?

Ping prog? Pwog wock?

Anyway, progression is forbidden in the land of red and stink.....

2008 (cough!) Olympic (gasp! wheeze!) Games (choke! expire!) anyone?

Ah yes -- the Canadian team takes the field....

Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 19:44

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted: September 24 2007 at 20:19

Tony R wrote:

darqdean wrote:

I won a Steely Dan single (Dallas) at an Emperor Rosko roadshow in the 70's. I played it once hoping it was like Steeleye Span - it wasn't... I never played it again.

Emperor Rosko Roadshow?Steeleye Span?

as in "All around my hat"???

Dean some things are best left unsaid pal... LOL

ah yes, the Womble years - how quickly one misguided Mike Batt produced single can kill a career.

and I think that there even is less chance of Steeleye getting on the PA as a result of that.

anyway - I've just discovered the Dallas single is quite rare, so

back on topic: Steely Dan certainly got European exposure in the early 70s and developed a following this side of the pond - but amongst people who liked groups like Little Feet, Allman Bros. and Lynyrd Skynyrd, therefore never figured within the Prog scene or with followers of that scene. Reading up on them they do appear to be the architypal crossover artists, spanning three important genres (Jazz, Pop and Rock) - however not having heard them I cannot quantify their progressiveness, and hence their suitability for inclusion under xover.

What?

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 20:33

I think they are one HELL of a group Dean... I'll see about getting you some samples LOL

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 20:39

I wish I had Aja or pretzel logic.

I have Gaucho and some greatest hits album, but they are a bit too poppy, with minimal jazz jam session time as what seem to be on the above two. Great band though, just need a bit more.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:35

micky wrote:

you are a piece of work Peter LOL

Looking forward to meeting you someday when I get back out west.

Thanks, Mickle.

Nine out of ten progholes who've met me agree: I'm up to 63% more handsome in real life (and seemingly thinner in metric, too).

And that's left of east, then north, to you.

Here's a map:

North Pole (no penguins)

^ (trees stop here)

Peter

_____________________________________________________________

^ (International Smog Line)

Micky

v (civil rights stop here)

Ivan

v ^

penguins N

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Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 21:36

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:37

Oh, that's brilliant. LOL

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:43

Snurk! Titter!

Thanks, KoSi fan tutti!

Vroom vroom,

KLR,

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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:47

BTW

I think we should seriously consider putting Steely Dan in Jazz/Rock, they are way to artistic to just be simply ignored.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:52

Re the Chinese prog, I found these oddly familiar lyrics, from a Fuking prog outfit called No!

"I get up,

I get run down (by a tank)

I get up

I get run down (by a tank)...."

Hmmmm... the mystical meaning is unclear, but apparently it's available on a compilation called Greatest Hits of Glorious People's Red Army Against Traitorous Malcontent Running Dogs of Capitalist Imperialism.

Catchy title, anyway....

Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 21:53

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 21:56

schizoid_man77 wrote:

BTW

I think we should seriously consider putting Steely Dan in Jazz/Rock, they are way to artistic to just be simply ignored.

So, who's ignoring them? Do you think we can help advance their struggling career, and piddling sales by listing them here?

"prog" = "artistic" now?

Hmmmm.....

Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 21:58

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 22:00

I think the Steely Dan controversy is actually kind of interesting.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 22:02

Peter wrote:

micky wrote:

you are a piece of work Peter LOL

Looking forward to meeting you someday when I get back out west.

Thanks, Mickle.

Nine out of ten progholes who've met me agree: I'm up to 63% more handsome in real life (and seemingly thinner in metric, too).

And that's left of east, then north, to you.

Here's a map:

North Pole (no penguins)

^ (trees stop here)

Peter

_____________________________________________________________

^ (International Smog Line)

Micky

v (civil rights stop here)

Ivan

v ^

penguins N

W Tony

We need to keep this safe and never lose it! Clap

Just one correction, though: the blue font was needed for Ivan Wink

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 22:09

^ Andu, I colour my ol' PA comrade Ivan the Terrible red from way back, when I first used to tease him about his "commie" Russian name.

A little inside joke 'twixt he and I, doncha know!

Plus, he's such a bleeding heart leftist....

Edited by Peter - September 24 2007 at 22:10

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: September 24 2007 at 22:14

Peter wrote:

schizoid_man77 wrote:

BTW

I think we should seriously consider putting Steely Dan in Jazz/Rock, they are way to artistic to just be simply ignored.

So, who's ignoring them? Do you think we can help advance their struggling career, and piddling sales by listing them here?

"prog" = "artistic" now?

Hmmmm.....

Lets not get offensive, I just think that they give off a vibe with something more than your average swingy, pop, jazz rock group if you get where I'm comin' from.