Bands which should be included on Progarc |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 14:28 |
I googled P205, and found out they are a German band from the mid-Seventies. There are some tracks to be heard on last.fm, so we'll be able to listen and evaluate them. Titanic are also from the Seventies - funny thing is there are other two bands by the same name, one of which is a Christian metal band!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 14:21 |
Just checked Trikolon and sounds more like Psych with Classical influences, they are very good, the Hammond is outstanding but not sure if they belonmg in Symphonic.
Hey man this band only released 150 albums in LP format.
Can't find anything but ambiguous info about Twogether and nothing about electra, now digging for Sixty Nine.
Iván
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Jimbo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 28 2005 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 2818 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 10:16 |
Their debut album Fading Beauty seems to be widely acknowledged as prog though. http://www.planetmellotron.com/revf1.htm#faithful |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 09:41 |
I checked on the BNR site, and I saw I was right, down to the Viking dressing-up thing... Perhaps we'd better hold this one off for the time being, and concentrate on the other bands OzzyTom suggested, whose prog credentials seem to be stronger.
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Windhawk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 09:31 |
Heh, I remember that band as rather cliche heavy metal myself - signed to Mausoleum for their debut if I remember correct. Think I may have a single by them laying around. Not the likeliest of candidates to go prog ;-) |
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ozzy_tom
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 06:37 |
Yes, but before they recorded 2 prog albums.
Anyway I forogot about another band: Phluph (Proto-prog) |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 05:27 |
@Ozzy Tom: thank you for taking the time of finding a possible subgenre for all those bands. I promise I'll try to have a look at those labelled "Heavy Prog". As regards the difference between the three subgenres that used to be under AR, I think you should take a look at the definitions. After all, this is what they're here for!
Just one question, though: I remember Faithful Breath as a heavy metal band, whose members got dressed up as Vikings. Is my memory playing tricks, or is there some truth to what I'm saying? |
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ozzy_tom
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
Posted: September 09 2007 at 05:12 |
Ok, I will try to write subgenres to my list (but after these changes in subgenres on this site I'm not sure if I will do it a proper way):
1.Trikolon (Germany) (Symphonic Prog, The Nice-alike) 2.McPhee (Australia) (Crossover Prog) 3.Hansson & Karlsson (Sweden) (Proto-Prog) 4.Sixty Nine (Germany) (Symphonic Prog or Crossover Prog) 5.Attila (USA) (Poto-Prog) 6.Hardin & York (USA) (Jazz-Rock/Fusion or Proto-Prog) 7.Twogether (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog) 8.Bodkin (England) (Heavy Prog) 9.Food Brain (Japan) (Psychedelic/Space Rock) 10.Odyssey (USA) (Proto-Prog) 11.Pesky Gee (England) (Proto-Prog) 12.Weed (England-Germany) (Crossover Prog or Heavy Prog) 13.Tyburn Tall (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Heavy Prog) 14.8 Days in April (also known as solo Kravetz's project)(Germany) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog) 15.Spectrum (Australia) (Crossover Prog) 16.Spooky Tooth (England) (Heavy Prog) 17.Freedom's Children (Republic of South Africa) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog) 18.Brian Auger & The Trinity (England) (Jazz-Rock or Proto-Prog) 19.Harsh Reality (England) (Proto-Prog or Heavy Prog) 20.Polyphony (USA) (Symphonic Prog) 21.Show of hands (USA) (Proto-Prog or Crossoverprog) 22.Ford Theatre (USA) (Proto-Prog) 23.Hunger (USA) (Proto-Prog) 24.Valhalla (USA) (Proto Prog or Crossoverprog) 25.Pacific Sound (Switzerland) (Crossoverprog or Eclectic Prog) 26.Pugh's Place (Netherlands) (Heavy Prog) 27.Andromeda (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Eclectic Prog) 28.P205 (Germany) (Heavy Prog) 29.Electra (Germany) (Symphonic Prog) 30.Epsilon (Germany) (Heavy Prog or Crossover Prog) 31.Faithful Breath (Germany) (Eclectic Prog) 32.Head Machine (England) (Heavy Prog) 33.Mammut (Germany) (Eclectic Prog) 34.The Norman Haines Band (England) (Heavy Prog) 35.Titanic (Norway) (Heavy Prog) 36.Yasushi Ishii (Japan) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog) But I have admit again that I'm not sure what's the real difference between Crossover Prog and Eclectic Prog or even Heavy Prog 'cause they were called just art rock before . |
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Marcos
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 08 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 222 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 19:32 |
how much time does it cost to add a band on PA? I've sent a submission about 6 months ago... |
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Okocha
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 13 2007 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 681 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 19:26 |
What about Kostas Tournas and his album "Aperanta horafia"???
Edited by Okocha - September 08 2007 at 19:27 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 17:32 |
Ricochet, I will ask a friend who is 'into computers' to make a kind of MP3 file for you and the team to have the opportunity to listen to Random Deeds. It's not earthshaking music but it sounds very melodic, pleasant and varied.
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The Rock
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 746 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 16:15 |
Agreed 100%!Patto should be in PA big time!If Zeppelin,Airplane,Doors,Who,ect...are in why not PATTO???Thay are at least as proggy or even proggier than most afoormentioned bands.
BTW,I will try and send infos on bands that I have submited so far as well as some of ozzy tom's that I know of.
But please bare with the fact that english is my second language and I'm not internet savy.
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What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop"
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:18 |
Erik, why don't you upload something, if you have something, I won't bite nor do anything with the samples I'll receive?
Edited by Ricochet - September 08 2007 at 14:19 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:08 |
Ricochet, why don't you come to the Symforce Festival After Party at my home on September 16th to enjoy some listening sessions ?
Edited by erik neuteboom - September 08 2007 at 14:09 |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35951 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:04 |
There are many Zeuhl and Avant Prog bands I know of, as do others, which have not been included in the archives (can find some of them mentioned in their respective threads and under consideration at the
Super Freego (Zeuhl) Paga (Zeuhl) Noa (Zeuhl) Seffer Yochk'o (Zeuhl) Avant Prog or Zeuhl for some cases Yog Sothoth ZNR Ripaille Pascal Duffard Non Credo ZNR Patrick Gauthier And lots more (in a rush), but those are some that I've been listening to the most over the last months. Maybe some are already here and some are approved but the bios have to be written. All are excellent, and this site would benefit from the inclusion. Thanks to some members for turning me on to some of these bands. Incidentally, I've been wanting to start a similar thread as this one for some time, not to suggest bands for inclusion so much (as there are other resources where one can find info on a great deal of Zeuhl and Avant Prog bands not yet included in the archives, so it's not that important to me that they be here too), but as a recommendation discussion threads for people interested in bands under the Prog umbrella not included here. Links to samples do help of course. There are a great many suitable bands not included in the archives (both old and new), but of course there is so only so much time and resources that the site's staff can put in to the inclusion endeavor. Some albums are quite rare. Definitely, as Ivan noted, a good idea to mention those bands in the respective category threads. As for Bowie, I would have thought he warranted inclusion on this site, but I think that there are many other bands/artists which have stronger cases. He is progressive, but not particularly Prog (whatever that means) -- not neatly pigeonholed, but an Art Rock artist. Perhaps more special collabs are warranted to deal with the backlog. Rocktopus, Yukorin, and Laplace (excellent reviewer), for example, and RileyDog, would all be a boon to the site in this capacity (but might not have time to devote to such an undertaking) I know there are more names I'm forgetting -- very knowledgeable people (with great taste to boot -- subjectively speaking, of course). I think it's amazing that the staff here do so much work, but they may be overworked. This hobby shouldn't interfere with one's work, family, and social life, but I'm sure it does. And of course everyone can help by suggesting bands and writing bios. I wouldn't mind doing one of these once they make it in (though time and brain cells are limited). Edited by Logan - September 08 2007 at 14:44 |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 13:47 |
Erik, I will talk to David about revisiting Combination Head under the new Crossover conditions, if he agrees, we can check the band again.
About Random Deeds, we're however strict: we need music!! |
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fuxi
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 13:09 |
Untrue. The epic "Cygnet Committee", from Bowie's first 'proper' solo album, very strongly resembles something associated with prog. You could say similar things about other early Bowie stuff, such as "The width of a circle". In my opinion, Bowie is ALMOST as proggy as Roxy Music and therefore he certainly belongs here, but the Powers that Be seem to have decided differently, and I see no need to kick up a fuss, 'cause you don't exactly need Progarchives to find out more about Bowie... Edited by fuxi - September 08 2007 at 13:09 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:59 |
Please Ozzy_Tom...Could you add sub-genre and at least a link where to search for information, all the forum can't be working ion an addition, if you add the sub-genre, it would be easier.
Then the respective team will work, much better if you send all the Symphonic bands to the Symphonic STICKY thread and each one to their genres threads.
Thanks
Iván
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:45 |
Well Ghost Rider, I must have missed something if you say "I told you time and again about Cozy Powell" (I once read in a thread that you and Micky are positive about it) but for me the problem was that I contacted a few times Dick Heath about Cozy Powell and also one other member of the jazz rock/fusion team (I have forgotten who) but in the end the communication simply stopped and I have stopped to put so much extra time in adding bands, I prefer to focus on my Recommendation section threads, that's a more satisfying way of communication for me, I don't want to be frustrated and leave PA for a third time |
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Raff
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:32 |
Erik, I told you time and again that both Micky and I were in favour of adding Cozy Powell to the DB. I'll talk to Micky about adding him to Crossover, if the Jazz-Rock team doesn't think he fits in their category - or we could take him in Heavy Prog, provided David agrees. |
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