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Topic: Bands which should be included on Progarc

Posted By: ozzy_tom
Subject: Bands which should be included on Progarc
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 06:17

From time to time I find some prog bands which I can't find on this (probably the biggest) prog site. That's why I decided to write some bands which I think should be added here. Here is my list (I hope that it will be helpful for administrators to make this site even more complete):

1.Trikolon (Germany)
2.McPhee (Australia)
3.Hansson & Karlsson (Sweden)
4.Sixty Nine (Germany)
5.Attila (USA)
6.Hardin & York (USA)
7.Twogether (Germany)
8.Bodkin (England)
9.Food Brain (Japan)
10.Odyssey (USA)
11.Pesky Gee (England)
12.Weed (England-Germany)
13.Tyburn Tall (Germany)
14.8 Days in April (also known as solo Kravetz's project)(Germany)
15.Spectrum (Australia)
16.Spooky Tooth (England)
17.Freedom's Children (Republic of South Africa)
18.Brian Auger & The Trinity (England)
19.Harsh Reality (England)
20.Polyphony (USA)
21.Show of hands (USA)
22.Ford Theatre (USA)
23.Hunger (USA)
24.Valhalla (USA)
25.Pacific Sound (Switzerland)
26.Pugh's Place (Netherlands)
27.Andromeda (Germany)
28.P205 (Germany)
29.Electra (Germany)
30.Epsilon (Germany)
31.Faithful Breath (Germany)
32.Head Machine (England)
33.Mammut (Germany)
34.The Norman Haines Band (England)
35.Titanic (Norway)
36.Yasushi Ishii (Japan)

Anybody knows any other prog-bands not included on PA?

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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 06:42

ozzy tom,

Boy I can relate to that!Bravo for your post!

Here are a few other bands that should be on PA ,big freaking time;

-Electric Food(Germany)

-Asterix(Germany)

-Asia(USA)

-Electric Mud(Germany)

-Dull Knife(Germany)

-GOLDEN EARRING(Holland)

-Offenbach(Canada)

-Osmosis(USA)

-One(usa)

-Fred(Usa)

-Fuse(USA)

-Aut'Chose(Canada)

-Flower Travellin'Band(Japan)

-Starglow Energy(Swizerland)

-Viola Crayola(USA)

-Bloodrock(USA)

-American Tears(USA)

-Touch(USA)(not the 1969 band,a later one-1980)

And there is many more.I will try and come up with some.

Btw,you seem to know your prog.A lot of bands on your list,I know of,but some I don't.

Rock

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What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop"

Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 07:33

Here are a few others;

-October(USA)

-Neil Merryweather(USA)

-Dillinger(Canada)

-The Hunt(Canada)

-Will-O The Wisp(Greece)

Progresive TM (Romania)

And there will be more.....

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What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop"

Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 07:53

This belongs in the Suggest New Bands/Artists section.

Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 08:34

HOW ABOUT DAVID BOWIE...................................

Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 08:39

If such bands are simply discussed, under a collective topic, instead of presented and suggested separately (with a clear mention in which genre they should go), our work, as Collaborators, will be very hard, if not impossible.

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Posted By: seamus
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 09:00

PATTO should be on ProgArchives! No one here know them?....they are a FANTASTIC jazz-rock band and i think that "PATTO" & "HOLD YOUR FIRE",their first two albums,are two BEAUTIFUL GEMS made in music!
Thumbs%20Up

http://www.pattofan.com/

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 10:01

seamus wrote:

PATTO should be on ProgArchives! No one here know them?....they are a FANTASTIC jazz-rock band and i think that "PATTO" & "HOLD YOUR FIRE",their first two albums,are two BEAUTIFUL GEMS made in music!
Thumbs%20Up

http://www.pattofan.com/

Patto have been discussed in the past, but I don't know how the whole thing ended - I remember some people entertaining doubts about how really prog they were.

However, you should remember that using capitals is usually considered bad form on the Web, since it is akin to shouting.

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 10:05

Ricochet wrote:

If such bands are simply discussed, under a collective topic, instead of presented and suggested separately (with a clear mention in which genre they should go), our work, as Collaborators, will be very hard, if not impossible.

I'd like to add something: if you are really keen to see a band or artist added to our DB, the best way to go about it is to contact a Special Collaborator, preferably someone who is part of a specialist genre team, and submit some samples to them, as well as all the relevant information you have about the act in question. Since only SCs can add bands, this is generally the fastest option available. Of course, in order to do so, you should have an idea of which subgenre the band belongs to, though this is not mandatory. Just remember that genre teams have often large backlogs of bands to add, and everyone here is working on a strictly voluntary basis.

Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 11:16

proggy wrote:

HOW ABOUT DAVID BOWIE...................................

David Bowie was never part of the Progressive Rock movement and his music never resembled anything associated with prog.

Even If he WAS influenced, however much, by progressive rock, influence of a music does not qualify another music to be put in the same category.

David Bowie should not be included, his music may be great whatever your opinion is, but he is not and never was a progressive rock musician.

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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 11:47

OK, perhaps it's not the right place but I would like to support Ozzy Tom his post by saying: "a big hand for the Hammond B3 drenched sound of Hansson & Karlsson, Odyssey and Brian Auger & The Trinity !

The Rock: Golden Earring from Holland? Well, as a Dutchman I grew up with this awesome four piece band and I can say that the progrock aficionados will be pleased with their album Swith featuring Robert-Jan Stips (Supersister), highly recommended!

By the way Ricochet, what about Random Deeds and Combination Head, I have put these bands in the Suggested Bands category months ago but I am still waiting on the teams their decision about what category

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 11:56

Hansson & Karlsson will be added by Micky when he gets a new Internet connection, which should be very soon. He was about to add them when I was still in the USA with him, but then he got sidetracked by more serious matters. I'll remind him to go ahead with the addition when his connection is operative.

Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:10

erik neuteboom wrote:

...

If I remember correctly, Random Deeds was a band we couldn't find any samples off, so we decided, even with your good review guiding us consistently, to not accept the band until we get to musical sources.

Combination Head has two votes of rejection for Art Rock (you can see here: http://ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives/ar_chart.xhtml - http://ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives/ar_chart.xhtml ), it's pretty much a sealed case for AR. I know Symphonic Team also doesn't appreciate that it's style would fit the Symphonic genre, so it's a very edgy thing... Confused

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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:21

One of the main reasons to support an addition of Random Deeds and Combination Head on Prog Archives is that lots of progrock friends who listen to their music at my home are very pleased and sometimes delighted about these bands. In my opinion both bands match with the new category Crossover Prog, perhaps the team will trust my judgement and let me work on an addition, it's just a proposal because I have the idea that the categorizing of the bands take so much time that it harms the addition policy. One more example: last month I started to contact fellow collabroators and team members about an addition of Cozy Powell, in the end I was waiting and waiting ... no final reactions so I have stopped to put energy in adding Cozy Powell.

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:32

erik neuteboom wrote:

Erik, I told you time and again that both Micky and I were in favour of adding Cozy Powell to the DB. I'll talk to Micky about adding him to Crossover, if the Jazz-Rock team doesn't think he fits in their category - or we could take him in Heavy Prog, provided David agrees.

Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:45

Well Ghost Rider, I must have missed something if you say "I told you time and again about Cozy Powell" (I once read in a thread that you and Micky are positive about it) but for me the problem was that I contacted a few times Dick Heath about Cozy Powell and also one other member of the jazz rock/fusion team (I have forgotten who) but in the end the communication simply stopped and I have stopped to put so much extra time in adding bands, I prefer to focus on my Recommendation section threads, that's a more satisfying way of communication for me, I don't want to be frustrated and leave PA for a third time

Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:59

ozzy_tom wrote:

From time to time I find some prog bands which I can't find on this (probably the biggest) prog site. That's why I decided to write some bands which I think should be added here. Here is my list (I hope that it will be helpful for administrators to make this site even more complete):

1.Trikolon (Germany)
2.McPhee (Australia)
3.Hansson & Karlsson (Sweden)
4.Sixty Nine (Germany)
5.Attila (USA)
6.Hardin & York (USA)
7.Twogether (Germany)
8.Bodkin (England)
9.Food Brain (Japan)
10.Odyssey (USA)
11.Pesky Gee (England)
12.Weed (England-Germany)
13.Tyburn Tall (Germany)
14.8 Days in April (also known as solo Kravetz's project)(Germany)
15.Spectrum (Australia)
16.Spooky Tooth (England)
17.Freedom's Children (Republic of South Africa)
18.Brian Auger & The Trinity (England)
19.Harsh Reality (England)
20.Polyphony (USA)
21.Show of hands (USA)
22.Ford Theatre (USA)
23.Hunger (USA)
24.Valhalla (USA)
25.Pacific Sound (Switzerland)
26.Pugh's Place (Netherlands)
27.Andromeda (Germany)
28.P205 (Germany)
29.Electra (Germany)
30.Epsilon (Germany)
31.Faithful Breath (Germany)
32.Head Machine (England)
33.Mammut (Germany)
34.The Norman Haines Band (England)
35.Titanic (Norway)
36.Yasushi Ishii (Japan)

Anybody knows any other prog-bands not included on PA?

Please Ozzy_Tom...Could you add sub-genre and at least a link where to search for information, all the forum can't be working ion an addition, if you add the sub-genre, it would be easier.

Then the respective team will work, much better if you send all the Symphonic bands to the Symphonic STICKY thread and each one to their genres threads.

Thanks

Iván

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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 13:09

MajesterX wrote:

David Bowie was never part of the Progressive Rock movement and his music never resembled anything associated with prog.

Untrue. The epic "Cygnet Committee", from Bowie's first 'proper' solo album, very strongly resembles something associated with prog. You could say similar things about other early Bowie stuff, such as "The width of a circle".

In my opinion, Bowie is ALMOST as proggy as Roxy Music and therefore he certainly belongs here, but the Powers that Be seem to have decided differently, and I see no need to kick up a fuss, 'cause you don't exactly need Progarchives to find out more about Bowie...

Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 13:47

Erik, I will talk to David about revisiting Combination Head under the new Crossover conditions, if he agrees, we can check the band again.

About Random Deeds, we're however strict: we need music!!

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:04

There are many Zeuhl and Avant Prog bands I know of, as do others, which have not been included in the archives (can find some of them mentioned in their respective threads and under consideration at the ~~progtology~~ link, oops EDIT, I meant ratingfreak, got those sited mixed up in my head -- not that it matters now since the discussion has evolved and so this post feels rather redundant and I hate to break up/ interrupt discussion).

Super Freego (Zeuhl)
Paga (Zeuhl)
Noa (Zeuhl)
Seffer Yochk'o (Zeuhl)

Avant Prog or Zeuhl for some cases

Yog Sothoth
ZNR
Ripaille
Pascal Duffard
Non Credo
ZNR
Patrick Gauthier

And lots more (in a rush), but those are some that I've been listening to the most over the last months. Maybe some are already here and some are approved but the bios have to be written. All are excellent, and this site would benefit from the inclusion. Thanks to some members for turning me on to some of these bands.

Incidentally, I've been wanting to start a similar thread as this one for some time, not to suggest bands for inclusion so much (as there are other resources where one can find info on a great deal of Zeuhl and Avant Prog bands not yet included in the archives, so it's not that important to me that they be here too), but as a recommendation discussion threads for people interested in bands under the Prog umbrella not included here. Links to samples do help of course.

There are a great many suitable bands not included in the archives (both old and new), but of course there is so only so much time and resources that the site's staff can put in to the inclusion endeavor. Some albums are quite rare.

Definitely, as Ivan noted, a good idea to mention those bands in the respective category threads.

As for Bowie, I would have thought he warranted inclusion on this site, but I think that there are many other bands/artists which have stronger cases. He is progressive, but not particularly Prog (whatever that means) -- not neatly pigeonholed, but an Art Rock artist.

Perhaps more special collabs are warranted to deal with the backlog. Rocktopus, Yukorin, and Laplace (excellent reviewer), for example, and RileyDog, would all be a boon to the site in this capacity (but might not have time to devote to such an undertaking) I know there are more names I'm forgetting -- very knowledgeable people (with great taste to boot -- subjectively speaking, of course). I think it's amazing that the staff here do so much work, but they may be overworked. This hobby shouldn't interfere with one's work, family, and social life, but I'm sure it does. And of course everyone can help by suggesting bands and writing bios. I wouldn't mind doing one of these once they make it in (though time and brain cells are limited).

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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:08

Ricochet, why don't you come to the Symforce Festival After Party at my home on September 16th to enjoy some listening sessions

Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 14:18

Erik, why don't you upload something, if you have something, I won't bite nor do anything with the samples I'll receive? Wink

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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 16:15

http://www.pattofan.com/

Agreed 100%!Patto should be in PA big time!If Zeppelin,Airplane,Doors,Who,ect...are in why not PATTO???Thay are at least as proggy or even proggier than most afoormentioned bands.

BTW,I will try and send infos on bands that I have submited so far as well as some of ozzy tom's that I know of.

But please bare with the fact that english is my second language and I'm not internet savy.

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What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop"

Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 17:32

Ricochet, I will ask a friend who is 'into computers' to make a kind of MP3 file for you and the team to have the opportunity to listen to Random Deeds. It's not earthshaking music but it sounds very melodic, pleasant and varied.

Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 19:26

What about Kostas Tournas and his album "Aperanta horafia"???

Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 19:32

how much time does it cost to add a band on PA? I've sent a submission about 6 months ago...

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Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 05:12

Ok, I will try to write subgenres to my list (but after these changes in subgenres on this site I'm not sure if I will do it a proper way):

1.Trikolon (Germany) (Symphonic Prog, The Nice-alike)
2.McPhee (Australia) (Crossover Prog)
3.Hansson & Karlsson (Sweden) (Proto-Prog)
4.Sixty Nine (Germany) (Symphonic Prog or Crossover Prog)
5.Attila (USA) (Poto-Prog)
6.Hardin & York (USA) (Jazz-Rock/Fusion or Proto-Prog)
7.Twogether (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog)
8.Bodkin (England) (Heavy Prog)
9.Food Brain (Japan) (Psychedelic/Space Rock)
10.Odyssey (USA) (Proto-Prog)
11.Pesky Gee (England) (Proto-Prog)
12.Weed (England-Germany) (Crossover Prog or Heavy Prog)
13.Tyburn Tall (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Heavy Prog)
14.8 Days in April (also known as solo Kravetz's project)(Germany) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog)
15.Spectrum (Australia) (Crossover Prog)
16.Spooky Tooth (England) (Heavy Prog)
17.Freedom's Children (Republic of South Africa) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog)
18.Brian Auger & The Trinity (England) (Jazz-Rock or Proto-Prog)
19.Harsh Reality (England) (Proto-Prog or Heavy Prog)
20.Polyphony (USA) (Symphonic Prog)
21.Show of hands (USA) (Proto-Prog or Crossoverprog)
22.Ford Theatre (USA) (Proto-Prog)
23.Hunger (USA) (Proto-Prog)
24.Valhalla (USA) (Proto Prog or Crossoverprog)
25.Pacific Sound (Switzerland) (Crossoverprog or Eclectic Prog)
26.Pugh's Place (Netherlands) (Heavy Prog)
27.Andromeda (Germany) (Crossover Prog or Eclectic Prog)
28.P205 (Germany) (Heavy Prog)
29.Electra (Germany) (Symphonic Prog)
30.Epsilon (Germany) (Heavy Prog or Crossover Prog)
31.Faithful Breath (Germany) (Eclectic Prog)
32.Head Machine (England) (Heavy Prog)
33.Mammut (Germany) (Eclectic Prog)
34.The Norman Haines Band (England) (Heavy Prog)
35.Titanic (Norway) (Heavy Prog)
36.Yasushi Ishii (Japan) (Eclectic Prog or Crossover Prog)

But I have admit again that I'm not sure what's the real difference between Crossover Prog and Eclectic Prog or even Heavy Prog 'cause they were called just art rock before

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 05:27

@Ozzy Tom: thank you for taking the time of finding a possible subgenre for all those bands. I promise I'll try to have a look at those labelled "Heavy Prog". As regards the difference between the three subgenres that used to be under AR, I think you should take a look at the definitions. After all, this is what they're here for! Wink

Just one question, though: I remember Faithful Breath as a heavy metal band, whose members got dressed up as Vikings. Is my memory playing tricks, or is there some truth to what I'm saying?

Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 06:37

Yes, but before they recorded 2 prog albums.

Anyway I forogot about another band:

Phluph (Proto-prog)

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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 09:31

Ghost Rider wrote:

Just one question, though: I remember Faithful Breath as a heavy metal band, whose members got dressed up as Vikings. Is my memory playing tricks, or is there some truth to what I'm saying?

Heh, I remember that band as rather cliche heavy metal myself - signed to Mausoleum for their debut if I remember correct. Think I may have a single by them laying around.

Not the likeliest of candidates to go prog ;-)

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 09:41

I checked on the BNR site, and I saw I was right, down to the Viking dressing-up thing LOL

... Perhaps we'd better hold this one off for the time being, and concentrate on the other bands OzzyTom suggested, whose prog credentials seem to be stronger.

Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 10:16

Ghost Rider wrote:

I checked on the BNR site, and I saw I was right, down to the Viking dressing-up thing LOL

... Perhaps we'd better hold this one off for the time being, and concentrate on the other bands OzzyTom suggested, whose prog credentials seem to be stronger.

Their debut album Fading Beauty seems to be widely acknowledged as prog though.

http://www.planetmellotron.com/revf1.htm#faithful - http://www.planetmellotron.com/revf1.htm#faithful

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 14:21

Just checked Trikolon and sounds more like Psych with Classical influences, they are very good, the Hammond is outstanding but not sure if they belonmg in Symphonic.

Hey man this band only released 150 albums in LP format.

Can't find anything but ambiguous info about Twogether and nothing about electra, now digging for Sixty Nine.

Iván

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 14:28

I googled P205, and found out they are a German band from the mid-Seventies. There are some tracks to be heard on last.fm, so we'll be able to listen and evaluate them. Titanic are also from the Seventies - funny thing is there are other two bands by the same name, one of which is a Christian metal band!

Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 15:40

Marcos wrote:

how much time does it cost to add a band on PA? I've sent a submission about 6 months ago...

It can take a while - we have a huge amount of bands to get through. Send me a PM with the name of the band and I'll check up on it for you.

Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 23:14

Ghost Rider wrote:

Hansson & Karlsson will be added by Micky when he gets a new Internet connection, which should be very soon. He was about to add them when I was still in the USA with him, but then he got sidetracked by more serious matters. I'll remind him to go ahead with the addition when his connection is operative.

thanks.... I need to get back to that.... I had the bio written on your computer... I guess I'll start over with that hahahhah

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 09 2007 at 23:23

ozzy - if there is something you think should/could be added in crossover. PM me links to any samples available. We don't get paid for this hahhaha... if people feel strongly to have some groups added.. they need to give us something to go on.

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 01:20

micky wrote:

ozzy - if there is something you think should/could be added in
crossover. PM me links to any samples available. We don't
get paid for this hahhaha... if people feel strongly to have some
groups added.. they need to give us something to go on.

True, very hard to go on band names alone. Album names and group members help quite a bit.

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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:39

if you send a biography, discography, some mp3 samples and a 200 word statement explaining why each of these bands are Prog and should be included they will have a very good chance of being considered!

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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:40

The Rock wrote:

ozzy tom,

Boy I can relate to that!Bravo for your post!

Here are a few other bands that should be on PA ,big freaking time;

-Electric Food(Germany)

-Asterix(Germany)

-Asia(USA)

-Electric Mud(Germany)

-Dull Knife(Germany)

-GOLDEN EARRING(Holland)

-Offenbach(Canada)

-Osmosis(USA)

-One(usa)

-Fred(Usa)

-Fuse(USA)

-Aut'Chose(Canada)

-Flower Travellin'Band(Japan)

-Starglow Energy(Swizerland)

-Viola Crayola(USA)

-Bloodrock(USA)

-American Tears(USA)

-Touch(USA)(not the 1969 band,a later one-1980)

And there is many more.I will try and come up with some.

Btw,you seem to know your prog.A lot of bands on your list,I know of,but some I don't.

Rock

DITTO

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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:44

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Just checked Trikolon and sounds more like Psych with Classical influences, they are very good, the Hammond is outstanding but not sure if they belonmg in Symphonic.

Hey man this band only released 150 albums in LP format.

Can't find anything but ambiguous info about Twogether and nothing about electra, now digging for Sixty Nine.

Iván

Careful Ivan, you're getting into Art Rock's business. Shocked

Ozzy made a very easy, but sufficient (for now) idea where every band should go.
We already started checking Twogether and Sixty Nine, both accountable for Heavy Prog. Tongue

And we'll probably deal with every band ozzy mentioned under one of the three AR genres. Wink

Out of interest, did you find any music for Twogether? Except a blog whose link is expired, we've found nothing and it looks like a desperate thing, the band's a complete rarity.

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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:46

ozzy_tom wrote:

But I have admit again that I'm not sure what's the real difference between Crossover Prog and Eclectic Prog or even Heavy Prog 'cause they were called just art rock before

Thought so. We've already started checking four or five bands; most are eligible for Heavy Prog, when in fact you wrote Crossover Prog!!. Confusing business, mr. Ozzy. Confused

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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:49

micky wrote:

ozzy - if there is something you think should/could be added in crossover. PM me links to any samples available. We don't get paid for this hahhaha... if people feel strongly to have some groups added.. they need to give us something to go on.

Micky, I suggest we all work on the bands that were mentioned under one of the three AR genres, because ozzy mentioned that he has trouble understanding what Heavy, Eclectic and Crossover individually mean, and I already signaled to him that he suggested for Symphonic or Crossover bands that are clearly Heavy. Wink

So, we should probably check these bands as AR specialists, instead of Heavy, Ec. or Crossover specialists. LOL

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:54

Ricochet wrote:

micky wrote:

ozzy - if there is something you think should/could be added in crossover. PM me links to any samples available. We don't get paid for this hahhaha... if people feel strongly to have some groups added.. they need to give us something to go on.

So, we should probably check these bands as AR specialists, instead of Heavy, Ec. or Crossover specialists. LOL

Exactly! This is what we've already started doing. We'll allocate them to the right subgenre at the end of the screening.

Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 16:44

Ricochet wrote:

micky wrote:

ozzy - if there is something you think should/could be added in crossover. PM me links to any samples available. We don't get paid for this hahhaha... if people feel strongly to have some groups added.. they need to give us something to go on.

So, we should probably check these bands as AR specialists, instead of Heavy, Ec. or Crossover specialists. LOL

sounds good to me Rico...with the varioius vacations we all have had LOL

it will be nice to work together again. I'm in.... I need some time to consider who to bring on to the crossover team. You, Jesus, and David were no brainers. I haven't been around enough over the last months to have an idea about the next batch to bring into the team.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 01:18

Hey Ozzy is Attila USA that terrible band in which Billy Joel played?

Even Billy catalogued it as Psychedelic Bullsh!t, he's 50% right, becaus it's not a Psych album, its' pure Acid Rock or Proto bad Metal (to say something, cacophonic loud noise would be more exact), no relation with Prog and influenced nobody, their only studio album is considered by many as the worst album ever recorded.

Attila is the name of a band featuring a young Billy Joel. Billy was a member of a band called the Hassles; he and the drummer, Jon Small, broke away from the Hassles and formed this duo. The instrumentation was mostly organ and drums, with Billy Joel also handling the bass lines with a keyboard, like the Doors' Ray Manzarek. Their creative partnership ended when Joel allegedly ran off with Small's wife. (LMAO )

They released only one album, Attila, in 1970, later reissued by CBS Inc in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985 - 1985 . Attila is often selected by critics and other music journalists as one of the worst rock album of all time; however, while not an easily accessible album, its unique jazz-metal fusion has become a cult favorite amongst Joel's fans. One track from the album, "Amplifier Fire, Part 1 (Godzilla)," appears on Joel's 2005 boxed set My Lives.

Track listing

Wonder Woman 3:38
California Flash 3:32
Revenge is Sweet 4:00
Amplifier Fire 7:39 (Part I - Godzilla; Part II - March of the Huns)
Rollin' Home 4:52
Tear This Castle Down 5:49
Holy Moses 4:30
Brain Invasion 5:41

Personnel

Billy Joel: vocals, keyboard player, arranger-composer, Taurus
Jon Small: composer-arranger, drums, Capricorn
Glenn Evans: road manager and creator of the direct input of a Hammond organ to Marshall Amps.

I believe we should not only not include them, but find the way of burning the master tape, starting with the embarrasing cover with Billy Joel dressed as Hun in a meat market.

I never believed there was something worst than Love Beach until I heard this album.

Sorry if I'm rude, but that's my honest opinion.

Iván

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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 21:19

Isotope 217 (post rock)

Imagine Tortoise in the style of their amazing TNT only with more jazz elements and alot free-er. Then again, its just some of the guys from Tortoise plus some jazz musisians, so I guess thats what it would have to sound like.

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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 06:41

I'll add FOOF BRAIN to our team evaluation, thanks!

Maybe PATTO would be a good prog related act? Mostly famous bands seem to get into this genre, why not including some little obscurer bands there too? Ofcourse the more known one's are easier to be included as there are much data about them around.

Many bands mentioned in the list above were in Proto Prog genre. This is a genre which is not enlargened in very fast speed (not critizing this, just observing).

Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 08:39

ozzy_tom wrote:

15.Spectrum (Australia) (Crossover Prog)

Hey Ozzy Tom, how goes it?

Spectrum was one of those Australian bands I was getting the old "round to it" happening with, as well as The Master's Apprentices, Tamam Shud, Kahvas Jute, Ariel, Coloured Balls, Tully and Lobby Loyde.

I think the new heavy prog sub-genre suits TMA, Kahvas Jute, Coloured Balls & Lobby Loyde with their sort of blues meets head music leanings. Ariel and Tamam Shud are probably crossover. As for Tully, I am not really sure as I just can't get hold of any of their music without having to mortgage the house to buy an LP (except the OST to the Australian version of Hair featuring Tully + 4, which I have a copy of on the way).

Catch you in the ether!

Cheers,

T.Rox

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Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:23

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Hey Ozzy is Attila USA that terrible band in which Billy Joel played?

Sorry if I'm rude, but that's my honest opinion.

Iván

Yes, I've just thought about this "Attila" with Joel

. I see that you really don't like their album

, but anyway it doesn't change a thing that it should be inluded on PA as proto-prog even if it's not a good album. Anyway it's one of only few "duo-bands" (only keyboardist + percussionist) so it should be here maybe only as curiosity (btw I don't think that Attila is so bad, but you know I'm a Hammond-freak so organ-driven album can't be totally bad

).

According to Faithful Breath I can say one thing: listen to their album called "Fading Beauty" and you will know that this is truly progressive album & there are no metal inspirations, I can even say that it's very calm album.

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:26

We've been doing research on some of those bands, and will be adding some of them in the next few days. As regards Faithful Breath, we've got some info about them - and yes, we found that "FAding Beauty" is prog. However, the list is very long, and those things take their time. Thanks for the suggestions, though!

Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:54

Ricochet wrote:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Just checked Trikolon and sounds more like Psych with Classical influences, they are very good, the Hammond is outstanding but not sure if they belonmg in Symphonic.

Hey man this band only released 150 albums in LP format.

Can't find anything but ambiguous info about Twogether and nothing about electra, now digging for Sixty Nine.

Iván

Careful Ivan, you're getting into Art Rock's business. Shocked

Ozzy made a very easy, but sufficient (for now) idea where every band should go.
We already started checking Twogether and Sixty Nine, both accountable for Heavy Prog. Tongue

And we'll probably deal with every band ozzy mentioned under one of the three AR genres. Wink

Out of interest, did you find any music for Twogether? Except a blog whose link is expired, we've found nothing and it looks like a desperate thing, the band's a complete rarity.

Well, that leaves us without any band from the list except maybe poliphony.

I will ask Bob (ClemofNazatreth) to check it.

BTW: Attila released an album past 1969, so if we go with the guidelines it's impossible to add them in Proto Prog.

Maybe in Prog Related, but for all I know it's weird cacophony and nothing more, now it would be time for the Adms to decide.

Iván

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Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:05

I've just wrote some of the albums of the bands' I mentioned before (be careful! I don't write all of their albums here ! Only these which I've listened to):

1.Trikolon - "Cluster"(1969)
2.McPhee - "McPhee"(1972)
3.Hansson & Karlsson - "Monument"(1967), "Rex"(1968), "Man at the moon"(1969)
4.Sixty Nine - "Circle of the crayfish"(1972)
5.Attila - "Attila"(1970)
6.Hardin & York - "Tomorrow Today"(1969), "World's Smallest Big Band"(1970), "For the world"(1971), "Live"(1994, 1969 recorded)
7.Twogether - "A couple of times"(1973)
8.Bodkin - "Bodkin"(1972)
9.Food Brain - "Social Gathering"(1970)
10.Odyssey - "Setting Forth"(1969)
11.Pesky Gee - "Exclamation Mark"(1969) (this is proto-Black Widow)
12.Weed - "Weed"(1971) (one of the Ken Hensley's early project made with German band "Virus")
13.Tyburn Tall - "Tyburn Tall"(1972)
14.8 Days in April - "The Hamburg Scene"(1972)
15.Spectrum - "Part One"(1971), "Milesago"(1971)
16.Spooky Tooth - "Spooky Two"(1969), "Ceremony"(1970)
17.Freedom's Children - "Astra"(1970)
18.Brian Auger & The Trinity - "Open"(1967), "Definitely What"(1968), "Streetnoise"(1969), "Befour"(1970)
19.Harsh Reality - "Heaven and hell"(1969)
20.Polyphony - "Without Introduction"(1971)
21.Show of hands - "Formerly Anthrax"(1970)
22.Ford Theatre - "Trilogy for the masses"(1969)
23.Hunger - "Strictly from Hunger"(1969)
24.Valhalla - "Valhalla"(1969)
25.Pacific Sound - "Forget your dream!"(1972)
26.Pugh's Place - "West One"(1969)
27.Andromeda - "Andromeda"(1970)
28.P205 - "P205"(1975), "Vivat Progressio - Pereat Mundus "(1978)
29.Electra - "Adaptionen"(1976)
30.Epsilon - "Epsilon"(1971), "Move on"(1972)
31.Faithful Breath - "Fading Beauty"(1974)
32.Head Machine - "Orgasm"(1969) (another Ken Hensley's project)
33.Mammut - "Mammut"(1971)
34.The Norman Haines Band - "Den Of Iniquity"(1971)
35.Titanic - "Titanic"(1971), "Eagle Rock"(1973), "Ballad of a rock'n' roll loser"(1975)
36.Yasushi Ishii - "Hellsing Original Soundtrack"(2003)
37.Phluph - "Phluph"(1968)

I hope that now you won't have any problems with finding these bands in internet. If not I will try to search for some links later.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:12

ozzy.. you can strike Hansson and Karlson off your list... they have been approved for addition.. and will be added soon. Working on the bio as we speak actually

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:14

Bodkin has also been approved..

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:21

You'll be glad to know that we're going to add Bo dkin to Heavy Prog. Sixty-Nine are still being discussed, but if I remember correctly they should be added either to Heavy or to Eclectic. 8 Days in April are being discussed by the Eclectic team, and Pugh's Place by the Heavy team. Unfortunately, McPhee were rejected, as they were not prog enough, and their album is mostly made up of covers. Finally, Hansson and Karlsson are well on their way to being added.

As for the others, it will take us some time to find them all, if it is actually possible. Many of those records are indeed very hard to find, which is a pity, but it is also true that they are in most cases quite old.

Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 22:36

The report about Polyphony by Bob is positive and I agree, but we need at least one more vote.

Iván

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Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 00:25

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

The report about Polyphony by Bob is positive and I agree, but we need at least one more vote.

Iván

One vote from me if that helps Wink

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"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix."

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Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 07:16

GORDON GILTRAP for his progressive era:
*Visionary(1976)
*Perilous Journey(1977)
*Fear Of The Dark(1978)
*Peacock Party(1979)
*Live At Oxford(79/80)

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"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix."

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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 10:01

ozzy_tom wrote:

Pesky Gee - "Exclamation Mark"(1969) (this is proto-Black Widow)

I suggested this quite long ago, I'll check out what's their current status.

Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 11:56

OK guys, Polyphony has been accepted, I onnly have three votes with the one by HT (Still James hasn't voted) but anyway with 3 votes there is majority.

They will be added to Symphonic.

Please Ozzy, tell us if you want to make the bio or you can send us the info to do it.

Thanks

Iván

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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 12:16

Bob Dylan

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Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 15:13

The only biography about Polyphony I've seen here: http://www.geocities.com/glennpalmerhoward/PWI.html I think that it would be enough to copy this into PA.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 15:48

ozzy_tom wrote:

The only biography about Polyphony I've seen here: http://www.geocities.com/glennpalmerhoward/PWI.html I think that it would be enough to copy this into PA.

No way Ozzy, as a team we have never copied or admitted a copied biography. As a fact we re-wrote at least 50 biographies because were copied from another site.

Prog Archives is the lead site inhe net and if we want to keep it like that, we MUST write our own stuff.

We can start the research, but it would help us a lot if you who have inducted the band and obviously know them better than us, gave an opinion about their music, influiuences and why they should be added, we will manage to find the dates and other biographic data.

If not possible, we will manage to do it by our own.

Thanks

Iván

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 15:53

Ivan is perfectly right in this respect. We can use an already existing bio as a starting point in order to get the relevant info, especially when we don't know the band - however, we should try to use our own words as much as possible. We don't need a novel, just something that has at least some measure of originality. Far too many sites copy and paste other people's work (there is a thread about that in the Report Abuse section) without even crediting the authors.

Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 08:15

Ok, now I understand.

BTW, I remind another band, this time krautrock one called "Deaf". They made only one album in 1972 called "Alpha". Here you can find some information: http://wc01.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:0zfqxq80ldae - http://wc01.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:0zfqxq80ldae

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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 09:24

T.Rox wrote:

ozzy_tom wrote:

15.Spectrum (Australia) (Crossover Prog)

Hey Ozzy Tom, how goes it?

Catch you in the ether!

Cheers,

T.Rox

T-Rox,

Are you "officially" suggesting these bands for addition:

The Master's Apprentice
Tamam Shud
Kahvas Jute
Ariel
Coloured Balls
Tully
Lobby Loyde

?

We need a positive "Yes" in order to take them into account. And if yes, can you prepare the submission materials?

Thanks

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 13:12

I've found something by Kahvas Jute, and will be submitting it to the attention of my HP partner as soon as possible. We have already added two bands that were suggested in this section (Bodkin and Elonkorjuu), and are looking forward to new additions... Just remember, though, that there are only two of us for the time being! Smile

Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 12:42

andu wrote:

T.Rox wrote:

ozzy_tom wrote:

15.Spectrum (Australia) (Crossover Prog)

Hey Ozzy Tom, how goes it?

Catch you in the ether!

Cheers,

T.Rox

Ghost Rider wrote:

I've found something by Kahvas Jute, and will be submitting it to the attention of my HP partner as soon as possible. We have already added two bands that were suggested in this section (Bodkin and Elonkorjuu), and are looking forward to new additions... Just remember, though, that there are only two of us for the time being! Smile

As suggested by Ghost Rider via PM I have started a thread specifically for these (and a couple of other) Aussie bands!

Cheers,

T.Rox

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 18:31

hey Coops.. if you aren't careful you might get some sort of half-baked tag like 'Australian Prog Specialist' LOL

thinking about adding a 3rd member to the Xover team for the time in the distant future that Dean and I disagree on something hahahha. We do have a fine line we walk and the more opinions.. the better.

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Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 12:58

Hey. Anyone know this one?

Hanuman & Lied Des Teufels (Post Murphy Blend)
Albums:
Hanuman - Germany (1971)
Lied Des Teufels - Germany (1973)
Lied Des Teufels
Previously known as Hanuman and Murphy Blend. They changed name after leader Wolf-Rüdiger Uhlig left, naming themseives after the closing track on the Hanuman album. Lied Des Teufels (in English "Songs of the Devil") made a much more aggressive politico-German rock, stylistically between Out Of Focus, Floh De Cologne and Ton Steine Scherben, , being all the more theatrical and offbeat on their second album.

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 13:06

Gustavo Montesano, bassist and singer from the Argentine prog band Crucis. He had this neat symphonic rock album in late 77 that, I'd say, warrants his inclusion somewhere in the archives.

Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 13:09

Friends, you know how it's done: forum_posts.asp?TID=17363 - Band Addition Procedure . Are you willing to become PA heroes? Wink

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 13:28

I submitted that a few days back... here's hoping it'll get somewhere!

Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 22:44

andu wrote:

Friends, you know how it's done: forum_posts.asp?TID=17363 - Band Addition Procedure . Are you willing to become PA heroes? Wink

pffff... have more fun... join the PA's villainy and scum fraternity... the women are hotter and sin.. is so more more fun than doing good. LOL

by the way.. Andu... in your postion as PA's superluminary... maybe you can put in bug in the admins ear that the addition process is broken most, not from the submitters... but in the fact we have posters who submit bands.. and never hear what happened to them. Some process needs to be installed where people can see the process .. or at least the resuts from ALL the subgenres. They don't have access to collab areas where we do our dirty work and shady back room deals.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 00:33

WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Gustavo Montesano, bassist and singer from the Argentine prog band Crucis. He had this neat symphonic rock album in late 77 that, I'd say, warrants his inclusion somewhere in the archives.

I'm starting to check him personally.

Whenever you have some Symphonic band, please PM me, HT, Bob or James.

Ivám

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:27

I see very hard to add Gustavo Montesano for several reasons at least to Symphonic:

We don’t add albums to a genre, we add bands, and Gustavo Montesano has released:

Homenaje: Jazz/Symphonic fusion

Fanttasía Flamenca: Strictly an Ethnic album (mostly Tango) mixed with Classical Music, it’s sold by Amazon Germany as Classical.

Tango Adagio Remixes; As it’s name clearly indicates, it’s a Dance remix album

Soul & Soil: Instrumental New Age

His albums are almost impossible to findd
Hs site says nothing about his music

Probably the best option would be to add HOMENAJE to Various Artists, because that's what it is, this album is played by Crucis, Charly García, Pedro Aznar, Nito Mestre, Maria Rosa Yorio and Alfredo Toth.

I will have no problem if homenaje was a Symphonic albbuim, but it isn't exclusively, and the rest of his career is not remotely Prog.

I recommend Fantasía Sinfónica, it's outstanding but not Prog.

Cheers

Iván

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:46

If "Homenaje" somehow gets to be placed anywhere on the archives, I'll be happy. It certainly deserves a spot here, after all.

Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:57

^^^^

Please, get me a legal link to download Homenaje, I only have heard Fantasía Flamenca , but Homenaje seems impossible to find.

Iván

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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 04:15

micky wrote:

hey Coops.. if you aren't careful you might get some sort of half-baked tag like 'Australian Prog Specialist' LOL

I don't know about "specialist"!

There is an "Australian prog sound" from the late 60's / early 70's that seems to be a strange blend of prog influences, coupled with blues and heavy rock influences that interests me. It is usually more guitar-based than keyboards. I didn't really cotton on to it when I would have had easy access to the LP's in the mid to late 70's because I was getting into the usual overseas artists (from an Australian perspective) like Genesis, Yes, Tull, The Who, Focus, Heep, Zeppelin, Purple and so on. This really important Australian music legacy managed to pass me by as it was fairly well off the mainstream and as the oldest in my family (13-years old when most of these bands had been and gone) I had no older influences to direct me to them. Thankfully Aztec Music (soon to be re-issuing Spectrum's Milesago album) and other companies (Vicious Sloth Records is one I can think of) are doing some good work on re-issues. And it would appear that Warner Music, who bought out the iconic Australian record company Festival Mushroom Records, may be starting to look at some re-issues of the amazing back catalogue it inherited as evidenced by the recent Split Enz remasters issues. Fingers crossed for more excellent re-issues from what ever source they may come!

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:32

T.Rox wrote:

micky wrote:

hey Coops.. if you aren't careful you might get some sort of half-baked tag like 'Australian Prog Specialist' LOL

I don't know about "specialist"!

oh yes... those blues and heavy rock influences are very apparent. LOL

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Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:44

T.Rox wrote:

I don't know about "specialist"!

You can get Spectrum/Ariel CDs directly from Mike Rudd and Bill Putts web site. The Ariel cd with "In the Garden of the Frenzied Cortina's" is highly recommended.

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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 09:38

Terra Australis wrote:

T.Rox wrote:

I don't know about "specialist"!

You can get Spectrum/Ariel CDs directly from Mike Rudd and Bill Putts web site. The Ariel cd with "In the Garden of the Frenzied Cortina's" is highly recommended.

I found that out about two hours after I paid $100.00 AUD for "Strange Fantastic Dreams" on vinyl (an almost faultless copy in both the vinyl and cover departments, though).

because I could have got the music for much less money ...

because the artwork is kinda special and the CD would do it no justice.

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Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 22:43

^ So how do we get Ariel/Spectrum on PA?

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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 17:26

Terra Australis wrote:

^ So how do we get Ariel/Spectrum on PA?

Micky and the crossover team have samples of Spectrum and Ariel's work and are evaluating these bands for inclusion in PA. Hopefully we will hear something soon!

Check out the thread in the link. The new thread has come out of Ghost Rider asking me start a thread specifically for the Australian bands I had mentioned in this thread.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41851 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41851

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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 11:39

check out these, and say if you have opinions:

Italian Symphonic Prog
- Akron
http://www.akronband.com/index.html
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12467

Progressive Metal
Some of these might be on The list
- Portrait of Beyond (symphonic mix metal)

- Inner Sanctum (melodic technical thrash metal)
- Laver (progressive post-metalcore)
- Random Mullet (progressive technical emo metalcore)
- Textures (post-rock mathmetalcore) - oops it's been added already
- Gorod (progressive death metal)

- Violent Silence (or to Experimental/Post-Rock, Art Rock, Neo Progressive, RIO/Avant-Prog, Progressive

Electronic..? ..not to metal... maybe experimental rock)(band reminds me of BUBBLEMATH) - oops it's been added

already, but I assume there's some discussion about the description and genre..

(Prog Related?
- Coroner (heavy/thrash/speed metal)
- Metallica (heavy/thrash metal)
- Ion Dissonance (mathgrindcore)
- Morbid Angel (speed-doom metal LOL)
- Dark Angel (speed metal)
- Neurothing (metalcore)
- Visceral Bleeding (technical brutal death metal)
- Autopsy (brutal death doom metal)
- Dimmu Borgir (symphonic black metal)
- Psycroptic (technical death metal)
- Nile (Brutal Death Metal)
- Prototype
- Sil Veth (death black metal)
- Cephalic Carnage (technical grindcore)
)

Prog Related (Experimental/Post-Rock?.. no)
- Mew (look And the Glass Handed Kites)

Experimental/Post-Rock (or: Psychedelic/Space Rock, RIO/Avant-Prog, Jazz Rock/Fusion ?)
- KTU
(Kimmo Pohjonen and Samuli Kosminen (Kluster) and Pat Mastelotto and Trey Gunn (from King Crimson and duo TU) join forces for the double duo formation KTU (pronounced "K2")
http://www.kimmopohjonen.com/nav.php?url=KTU.html

Experimental/Post-Rock
-Pit Er Pat (jazz indie)

RIO/Avant-Prog , Prog Folk , Experimental/Post-Rock ?
- Vialka

Jazz Rock/Fusion
- XL (jazz)
(check Live ballet, 2001)
https://www.helmet.fi/search*fin?/axl/axl/1%2C6%2C23%2CB/exact&FF=axl+esitt&1%2C10%2C
http://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XL_%28yhtye%29&action=edit

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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 14:45

progressive wrote:

RIO/Avant-Prog , Prog Folk , Experimental/Post-Rock ?
- Vialka

Well not Post-Rock for sure, and IMHO not Prog Folk either. Or if they are then I'm going to add Camper van Beethoven as well

. I think there is a tendency sometimes to attach the Folk label to bands that are hard to classify but have accents (French in this case) and use some non-traditional instrumentation. I dug up several on-line reviews of Vialka's live shows and it's interesting none of the French or Canadian writers referred to them as Folk, but some of the American ones did.

Fun as hell to listen to though; they have lots of samples on their web site and mySpace. Much like CvB and Holly & the Italians from the 80s, and bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Idiot Flesh, and UI Blue today, these guys do a great job of picking up whatever from wherever and working it into their repertoire (and they are very well-traveled so the repertoire is pretty diverse). But like White Stripes or Idiot Flesh they also seem to be multi-dimensional performers as much as musicians, so it seems to me they would fit best in Avant.

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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 14:52

progressive wrote:

check out these, and say if you have opinions:

Experimental/Post-Rock (or: Psychedelic/Space Rock, RIO/Avant-Prog, Jazz Rock/Fusion ?)
- KTU

I'll be adding them soon, they've been approved by the ZART.

RIO/Avant-Prog , Prog Folk , Experimental/Post-Rock ?
- Vialka

After adding Kruzenshtern & Parohod I thought of adding these guys but never got around to it.

If you're interested, you can write up a short bio and I'll add it (you'll be credited of course).

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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 16:20

But about RIO/avant-garde... ok there IS lots of different bands and styles under that. Yes, I thought that it would be best for Vialka (so I have it first in the "list"). I just feel there's something rotten putting all into same category. I couldn't imagine it on Prog Folk, but you can't say it isn't folk - there's many kinds of folk.

About KTU, I think it is going to RIO/avant-garde, too, though I don't see them fitting there.

Experimental = post-rock
RIO = avant-prog
?

(and sometimes
RIO = experimental
RIO = post-rock)

Could we separate all these?

Maybe it's too late, and difficult.

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Posted By: polyphonix
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 19:04

Hi there,

I'm Glenn Palmer Howard. Great to see this forum of yours indeed. If you need any information for the band 'Polyphony', feel free to email me or post here. The website you mentioned http://www.geocities.com/glennpalmerhoward/PWI.html - http://www.geocities.com/glennpalmerhoward/PWI.html is mine. I am the guitarist.

Sincerely,

Glenn

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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 20:31

I always thought King Diamond and Nevermore deserve a place here.

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 02:14

ProgBagel wrote:

I always thought King Diamond and Nevermore deserve a place here.

Nevermore were rejected by the PMT, and King Diamond has been suggested several times. Unfortunately, if the PMT rejects them, I'm afraid there is nothing to be done but try to add them to Prog-Related... which is something to be avoided, especially after what happened in Iron Maiden's case. Controversial additions rip the fabric of the forum apart.

Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: November 26 2007 at 09:30

Here are some other bands (which I rescently discovered) which should be included on this site becasue they are definitely "prog":

1.Samurai (Japanese-English, Eclectic or Heavy prog, albums: "Samurai (or "Green Tea")-1970, "Kappa"-1971)
2.Locomotive (Proto-Prog, Eclectic Prog or Proto-Prog, album: "We Are Everything You See"-1969, they are pre-The Norman Haines Band)
3.Frame (German, Heavy Prog, album: "Frame of Mind"-1972, they are pre-Pell Mell)
4.Schéhérazade (Japanese, Neoprogressive or Symphonic Prog, album: "Schéhérazade"-1992, Toshio Egawa on keyboards!)
5.Hiro Yanagida (Japanese, Psychedelic/Space Rock, albums: "Milk Time"-1971, "7sai no Rojin Tengoku ("Elderly Person Heaven Of Seven Years" or "Hiro Yanagida")-1971, "Hiro"-1972, "Hirocosmos"-1973, "UFO"-1978)
6.Mystic Siva (American, Psychedelic/Space Rock, albums: "Mystic Siva"-1971, "Under The Influence" -2003(1969-70 recorded))
7.Skin Alley (English, Eclectic Prog, "Skin Alley"-1969, "To Pagham and beyond"-1970, "Two Quid Deal"-1972, "Skintight"-1973)
8.Mad Curry (Belgian, Eclectic Prog, album: "Mad Curry"-1970)
9.Cold Fairyland (Chinese, Prog-Folk or Neoprogressive, albums: "Flying over the city"-2001, "Ten Days in Magic Land"-2002, "Kingdom of Benevolent Strangers"-2003, "Bride in Legend"-2004, "Ten Days in Magic Land"-2005, "Cold fairyland 2005 Live"-2006, "Seeds on the Ground"-2005)
10.Purple Overdose (Greek, Heavy Prog, albums: "Exit #4"-1988, "Indigo"-1990, "Purple Overdose"-1994, "Solemn Visions"-1996, "Reborn", "The Salmon's Trip ‡Live‡"-2001, "Painting The Air"-2004, "A Trip To Purpleland (The Early Years Live)-2006")
11.Rare Earth (American. Heavy Prog or Eclectic Prog, best albums: "Get Ready"-1969(includes 21+ min. title track!), "Ecology"-1970)
12.Steamboat Switzerland (Switzerland, Experimental/Post Rock, albums: "Live"-1998, "AC/dB (Hayden)"-2001, "Budapest"-2001, "Wertmuller"-2005, "Unknown Song/Zone")
13.Flied Egg (Japanese, Heavy Prog, albums: "Dr. Siegel's Fried Egg Shooting Machine"-1972, "Goodbye"-1972, includes Hiro Yanagida on keyboards)
14.Apryl Fool (Japanese, Proto-Prog, album: "Apryl Fool"-1969, includes Hiro Yanagida on keyboards)
15.Shinki Chen (Japanese, Heavy Prog, album: "Shinki Chen & His Friends"-1971, includes Hiro Yanagida on keyboards)
16.Love Live Life + One (Japanese, Psychedelic/Space Rock, album: "Love will make a better you"-1971, Hiro Yanagida on keyboards)
17.Rick Van Der Linden (Netherlands, Progressive Electronic or Symphonic Prog, albums: "Plays Albioni, Bach, Handel"-1976, "GX-1"-1977, "Night of Doom"-1977, "Solo"-1981, "Ol Driends, New Friends"-1985, "Vivace"-2001)

And that's all...only for now of course

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 26 2007 at 12:39

Thank you very much for the suggestions - especially since many of them are HP! Thumbs%20Up

I have heard of some of those bands when browsing through the web and looking for information. I'll post in our thread to ask David to have a look at your post when he comes online, so that we can begin to do some research.