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StyLaZyn 
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 Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:37 |
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Mike Portnoy without a doubt! |
Hey Petrucci. Your bias interferes with your better judgment.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:53 |
ok, in short i saw mike portnoy play last year at the celbrity thearte in phoenix AZ with Gary Howie opening up. Gary is a friend of mine and bobby rock was playling drums who is another aquaintence. Long story short, it was the worse night of drumming i ever saw. I was there with Ray Riendeau bass player so i even had to keep checking with him going 'does this suck to you or is it just me' Ray agreeed, and after the 5th dream theater song we left.
I could hear portnoy clearly off the sequence click they were playing too. The whole band was looking at him like what are you doing dude. I could hear the click track from his monitor on the up beats across the stage. Not just once either, it happened on like 3 tunes ouf of Five. Its was pitiful. If you ever see him play also watch his right hand, he plays nothing but eighth notes. Man you can play in any time signiture if your right hand just plays eights and keeps the time for you. Hey maybe he had a bad night, we all do but from what i saw I think when they record their records mikes is heavily relying on pro tools and cutting and pasting. Like i said its just my opinion. Im not trying to casue an argument im trying to educate. The only thing good I can say is his drum set was beautiful, and so was his wife. Oh yea and he had cool shoes.
joe
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:00 |
I just realized that Harrison isn't here. No Gavin?!? That is a crime. But then again, he is fairly new to the scene. If Portnoy gets a nod, certainly Gavin Harrison deserves recognition.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:08 |
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Totally useless to place Portnoy on this list. Because "importance" is referred mainly to the influence of a drummer, I mean, how influential was him.
Then, how is Portnoy influential if he appeared after two decades of the purest (and the best) prog music? That's impossible. He can has the skills alright and whatever, but NEVER be influential in prog music; and just because he was (as a guy posted before) too young at the time.
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The best you can is good enough...
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:12 |
JOE MORRIS wrote:
ok, in short i saw mike portnoy play last year at the celbrity thearte in phoenix AZ with Gary Howie opening up. Gary is a friend of mine and bobby rock was playling drums who is another aquaintence. Long story short, it was the worse night of drumming i ever saw. I was there with Ray Riendeau bass player so i even had to keep checking with him going 'does this suck to you or is it just me' Ray agreeed, and after the 5th dream theater song we left.
I could hear portnoy clearly off the sequence click they were playing too. The whole band was looking at him like what are you doing dude. I could hear the click track from his monitor on the up beats across the stage. Not just once either, it happened on like 3 tunes ouf of Five. Its was pitiful. If you ever see him play also watch his right hand, he plays nothing but eighth notes. Man you can play in any time signiture if your right hand just plays eights and keeps the time for you. Hey maybe he had a bad night, we all do but from what i saw I think when they record their records mikes is heavily relying on pro tools and cutting and pasting. Like i said its just my opinion. Im not trying to casue an argument im trying to educate. The only thing good I can say is his drum set was beautiful, and so was his wife. Oh yea and he had cool shoes.
joe
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Holy crap, Joe! I just checked out your website. Very nice and your drumming is excellent. I loved the track off Arrhythmia. You have played with some pretty important names in the music business. Nice!
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JOE MORRIS
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:31 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
JOE MORRIS wrote:
ok, in short i saw mike portnoy play last year at the celbrity thearte in phoenix AZ with Gary Howie opening up. Gary is a friend of mine and bobby rock was playling drums who is another aquaintence. Long story short, it was the worse night of drumming i ever saw. I was there with Ray Riendeau bass player so i even had to keep checking with him going 'does this suck to you or is it just me' Ray agreeed, and after the 5th dream theater song we left.
I could hear portnoy clearly off the sequence click they were playing too. The whole band was looking at him like what are you doing dude. I could hear the click track from his monitor on the up beats across the stage. Not just once either, it happened on like 3 tunes ouf of Five. Its was pitiful. If you ever see him play also watch his right hand, he plays nothing but eighth notes. Man you can play in any time signiture if your right hand just plays eights and keeps the time for you. Hey maybe he had a bad night, we all do but from what i saw I think when they record their records mikes is heavily relying on pro tools and cutting and pasting. Like i said its just my opinion. Im not trying to casue an argument im trying to educate. The only thing good I can say is his drum set was beautiful, and so was his wife. Oh yea and he had cool shoes.
joe
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Holy crap, Joe! I just checked out your website. Very nice and your drumming is excellent. I loved the track off Arrhythmia. You have played with some pretty important names in the music business. Nice!
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thanks for the kind words. i have been one of the lucky ones. many more drummers better than me. But all you guys should know this. Chops are cool and lord knows I have a few. Trust me i record almost every day and i play them over and over. ha!! But you want to make a living playling drums, you better be able to play to a click, and groove the band, don't over play and play for the music. Develop a good ear, listen to the music. Drum solos will get you clinics, maybe? Groove will get you gigs with good acts. Groove guys, and save your chops for when you need them . My first studio gig the producer told me "Whow man you can really tear those drums up" i GOT A BIG SMILE AND SAID THANK S MAN, then he said "just remember if you start in the statosphere you got no where else to go.
Joe
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:43 |
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I voted for Bruford, but if we were talking about today I would be extremely tempted to say Harrison. To see the man drum is an amazing experience. The way he just effortlessly throws thing in at just the right time makes for a very enjoyable experience.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:52 |
Threads like these are always a great opportunity to remind people of some less-known - but not less-worthy - drummers.
This time it's going to be the late, great, Ian Wallace - beautiful, exquisite playing on King Crimson's "Islands".
In general, KC's pre-Bruford drummers - Wallace, Michael Giles and Andy McCulloch - are undeservedly ignored. 
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:10 |
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Peart in my opinion, but so many great one's to choose from.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:21 |
I will try to make a balance of things that a great drummer must have, that is, passion, technical skills, etc...and my vote goes to "other", Andy Ward (Camel)...his performance on "A Live Record" is awesome, just like in all the other albums he played with Camel. 
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"…but would I leave you in this moment of your trial?"
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JOE MORRIS
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:33 |
i forgot something. The mos important progressive drummer would have been years ago to set the standard for most of the drummers listed. So Guys like Danny Carey who i admire were to young. So I vote for these guys
A. Rod Morgenstein
b. Gene Lake
c. Tony Williams
d. Billy Cobham
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea
f. Phil Earheart from Kansas
g. Vinne Caluitia
bill bruford hands down
simon phillips- played with jeff back when he was 17
plus Carl Palmer for sure. saw him live he kicks ass
Cant count bozzio yet he was still in missing persons then.
case you need info:
Rod morgenstein--Dixie Dregs
Gene Lake--Steve Coleman
Tony Williams Miles davis
Billy Cobham- the M orchestra and bobby and the midnights. Bob wear from the greatful deads band with alfonso johnson on bass
Phil- Kansas
Steve Gadd--chick corea
vinnie Caluita frank zappa
Edited by JOE MORRIS - July 16 2007 at 14:41
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:38 |
JOE MORRIS wrote:
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea |
You mean Steve God? 
His drumming with Steely Dan is outstanding. An example of this is the work he does in the title track of Aja, which could be considered a Prog track. Modern Drummer had once transcribed all of it. A drummer friend I was studying with, could play it after weeks of practice, but alas, I never gave it a go.
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JOE MORRIS
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:45 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
JOE MORRIS wrote:
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea |
You mean Steve God?
His drumming with Steely Dan is outstanding. An example of this is the work he does in the title track of Aja, which could be considered a Prog track. Modern Drummer had once transcribed all of it. A drummer friend I was studying with, could play it after weeks of practice, but alas, I never gave it a go.
I might be wrong bro, but I think Bernard Perdie Played on that track. I'm not even sure if gadd ever cut with Steely Dan. I think they only had three drummers. Bernard purde, Rick Moratta, jeff Pocaro. I played with Chuck Rainy the bass player from Steely Dan at Bass Day this year. He was cool and had some good stories. I might be wrong i"m not positive. If you find out let me know. I heard that Bernard got into it one day because whiile he was at lunch they called pocaro to play a track on his kit. ruthless.
joe
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:48 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
JOE MORRIS wrote:
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea |
You mean Steve God?
His drumming with Steely Dan is outstanding. An example of this is the work he does in the title track of Aja, which could be considered a Prog track. Modern Drummer had once transcribed all of it. A drummer friend I was studying with, could play it after weeks of practice, but alas, I never gave it a go.
i may be wrong but i think bernard purdie played on the tune aja. I'm not sure gadd ever cut with steely dan. i only know of Bernard, jeff pocaro and rick moratta. I know chuck rainey the bass player from steely. i played with him last year at bass day in NY. he had some good stories. If you find out let me know i would be interested if I have my facts straight. I very well could be wrong. Want to hear Gadd as his best. Buy and old chick corea album. Can't remember the name but it has smirfs all over it Just a bunch of smirfs. the drumming changed my life
joe
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:53 |
JOE MORRIS wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
JOE MORRIS wrote:
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea |
You mean Steve God?
His drumming with Steely Dan is outstanding. An example of this is the work he does in the title track of Aja, which could be considered a Prog track. Modern Drummer had once transcribed all of it. A drummer friend I was studying with, could play it after weeks of practice, but alas, I never gave it a go.
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i may be wrong but i think bernard purdie played on the tune aja. I'm not sure gadd ever cut with steely dan. i only know of Bernard, jeff pocaro and rick moratta. I know chuck rainey the bass player from steely. i played with him last year at bass day in NY. he had some good stories. If you find out let me know i would be interested if I have my facts straight. I very well could be wrong. Want to hear Gadd as his best. Buy and old chick corea album. Can't remember the name but it has smirfs all over it Just a bunch of smirfs. the drumming changed my life
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Ack! I thought it was Gadd. But another huge drumming name, although not Prog, Bernard Purdie. Playing the Purdie shuffle. Classic!
BTW...Peart talks about Steve Gadd being an influence on occasion. Neil Peart is the main reason, but not only the one, I took up drumming.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:07 |
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:09 |
Don't get me wrong. I was a huge Peart Fan in my teens. A few things about him changed that for me. I met him in Philly after a show. I was like 18 and a huge rush and peart fan. Long story short he was an asshole to me. It really hurt me back then, and it turned me off the guy. No reason to be a jerk to other aspiring drummers that admire you. I went home and took all his posters down.
Then I fouond guys like Morgenstein in the Dregs, and tony williiams, Miles Davis and Gadd on that Chick Corea record. Peart was a big influence on me too, but I did discover when I got older much better drummers. The only Peart thing Istill do to this day 20 years or more later is tune my drums to the call of the races like he did.
Karma was a bitch for him when he played with Buddys' Band. Its on Dvd. I actually felt bad for the guy. He took lessons from Freddie Grubber after that experience. It was really bad, but hey in Rush he kicks ass.
joe
I got get off this site, its like crack
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:11 |
Peart.Then Bruford and Danny Carey.
You guys always overlook Brann Dailor in these polls,which is almost criminal.
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:13 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Peart.Then Bruford and Danny Carey.
You guys always overlook Brann Dailor in these polls,which is almost criminal. |
Never heard of Brann please educate me
thanks joe
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:14 |
JOE MORRIS wrote:
Don't get me wrong. I was a huge Peart Fan in my teens. A few things about him changed that for me. I met him in Philly after a show. I was like 18 and a huge rush and peart fan. Long story short he was an asshole to me. It really hurt me back then, and it turned me off the guy. No reason to be a jerk to other aspiring drummers that admire you. I went home and took all his posters down.
Then I fouond guys like Morgenstein in the Dregs, and tony williiams, Miles Davis and Gadd on that Chick Corea record. Peart was a big influence on me too, but I did discover when I got older much better drummers. The only Peart thing Istill do to this day 20 years or more later is tune my drums to the call of the races like he did.
Karma was a bitch for him when he played with Buddys' Band. Its on Dvd. I actually felt bad for the guy. He took lessons from Freddie Grubber after that experience. It was really bad, but hey in Rush he kicks ass.
joe
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Yep, I remember a letter years back in Modern Drummer where he was a complete and utter ass to a young drummer. And I agree, there is no place for it. I admire his contributions. To this day he remains an introvert. Although he may not outwardly admit it, he hates his public. Thank god the other two in the band make up for his, well, rudeness.
Yes, this site can be very addicting. It's the premiere Prog Forum in my book.
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