Best/Most important Progressive Drummer
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Topic: Best/Most important Progressive Drummer
Posted By: kameelracer
Subject: Best/Most important Progressive Drummer
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:46
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Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here. I'll start... Neil Peart
 I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing! |
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:47
| Gavin Harrison. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:51
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Other, of course. The man in my signature pic. it shows him playing with Brand X on a Japan tour of theirs (in 1999, if I remember right). The drum kit he uses here used to belong to Ginger Baker, by the way. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: proghairfunk
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:09
| The most important, and probably the best (though as always, both facts are debatable) in my mind is Bill Bruford. Yes. King Crimson. Need I say more? And the display of talent on heart of the sunrise and long distance runaround prove his talent. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:39
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Peart; but, Harrison is quickly gaining ground.
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Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:56
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Christian Vander anyone?
I think Morgan Ågren is my favourite drummer of all time.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:03
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Peart is way overated, in my opinion. His playing lacks originality. He is a fast man, sure, but lacks ideas. His fill-ins are very ordinary. He is in my opinion too tight-arsed to be a really good drummer (which is proven by the fact that he has been playing the same solo over and over again for years. I wouldn't even play the same solo twice).
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04
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Hey if you doubt i know what im talking about please check out my web site at http://www.joemorris.net - www.joemorris.net . some of the drummers mentioned are my friends. It still amazes me how uninformed some of you drummers are. Mike Portnoy. come on man. Progressive drummers like Thomas Lang, Dennis Chambers, Jo Jo Mayer, Neil Peart is great in Rush, ever seen him on another gig, I have, Its was downright sad, but i have a ton of respect for Neil. He kills the Rush gig. Marco Meniumin, Virgil Donnati, . i don't want to bash any drummers its not my thing. But some of the guys you think are great really are not. Bill Bruford is awesome a drummers drummer. Im sure there are other guys im forgetting. what about Billy Cobham, way ahead of his time. Or Rod Moragenstein with the Dregs. I wish i could remember Kansas's drummer, i think it was Phil Earheart, he was awesome. How about Simon Phillips when he played with jeff Beck. Tons of much better choices, but no one could ever argue with bozzio, hes on another planet. speaking of other planets what about the badest drummer around Vinnie Caliuta. I will agree with Dany carey also, great drummer. i know there are guys im leaving out but im just expressing my insight. Just my opinion
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04
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I noticed your question is not about one's FAVOURITE drummer. If it were, the answer would be easy, but as I'm not a drummer myself, who am I to say who's best? It might be Bill Cobham or Pierre Moerlen (very impressive on GAZEUSE and ESPRESSO 2) - who can tell?
As for "most important" in a general sense, perhaps the answer is Phil Collins (no matter what myriads of Phil-bashers may say), since his playing has graced the very best albums by Genesis and Brand X, as well as a whole load of masterpieces (?) by John Cale, Brian Eno, Robert Plant and heaven knows who else. Our Phil even seems to have had a couple of minor hits! But no, seriously, folks - I've said it before and I'll say it again. The best, most influential and MOST ENJOYABLE prog drummer of all is Bill Bruford, as proven by FRAGILE, CLOSE TO THE EDGE, LARKS' TONGUES IN ASPIC, RED, DISCIPLINE, FEELS GOOD TO ME, ONE OF A KIND as well as numerous EARTHWORKS albums. Hooray!!! |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:06
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[QUOTE=kameelracer]
Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here. I'll start... Neil Peart [/
I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing!QUOTE]
Do yourself a favor, find the buddy rich memorial concert on Dvd. Get the one that Neils on. He plays with Buddy Rich's band. See what you think of him then.
joe
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:08
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danny carey is a great drummer also ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:11
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yes he is. on his gig. he needs to stay there and not embaraess himself again.
much respec to Neil because he does kick ass on his gig, but thats about it. ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:21
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Gavin Harrison is a great drummer. I have learned so much from him. I love his over riding theory. I advise anyone that is already pretty good on the drums to get that dvd.
the guy is just awesome with his own style. Beware the dvd is not for begginers. You have to be at least pretty good at odd time and the drums in general to even grasp what he is talking about. Great for Pro players looking for new avenues and ideas.
Gavin is really cool, and man what a great feel he has. Love his playling.
Joe ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:34
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Mike Portnoy gets my vote, phenomenal drummer!
Phil Ehart (Kansas), Ian Paice (Purple), Brian Downey (Lizzy) are all great too.
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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:40
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The most important in prog only?? IMO Bruford. Although I would add Barriemore Barlow to the list.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:42
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From Yesterday Prog? but today Jazz. The Incredible Innovator, master :
  Why him?
Simply because not only he can play rock/fusion but he can Jazz.. IN the 70's played and in their most important Progrock band of the prog-world. YES/KING CRIMSON/GENESIS/ GONG/ NATIONAL HEALTH. He solos aren't as boring/ extended and bombastic as other rock/jazz players. He has this unique reconcilable sound that is simply his own. he can hit the set as hard as John bohan and as soft as Jack de johnette ( legendary Jazz Player who stared with Miles in the 70's)
.He is simply the Best.
All these other players with the exception of bill Cobham I am pretty sure are and were influenced by Mr. Bill. Specially Bozzio, carey( KC's fan) Phill Collins( Love KC in the 70') , Portney is too young to include on this list However is my favorite of today prog but he was just baby when the other master were all ready superb players.
Carl Palmer and Neil peart were excellent players back in the 70's and 80's, but today he had left behind and had fall into trap of becoming classic rock player, that are only crowd pleases and had forgot the essential ingredient in a player. To reinvest themselves and to always challenge themselves as a player every time they played. I love Rush 70's and early 80's record but now Rush concert are simply just and classic rock. when Neil is gonna stop doing the same solos. He is being doing it for the past 20 years? ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: JoaoPirucas
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:00
Mike Portnoy without a doubt!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:05
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Most Important: (tie) Phil Collins Bill Bruford Neil Peart Best: Bill Bruford ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:11
| Hasn't this been done ten times already? |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:35
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:37
Hey Petrucci. Your bias interferes with your better judgment.
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JohnPetrucci wrote:Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:53
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ok, in short i saw mike portnoy play last year at the celbrity thearte in phoenix AZ with Gary Howie opening up. Gary is a friend of mine and bobby rock was playling drums who is another aquaintence. Long story short, it was the worse night of drumming i ever saw. I was there with Ray Riendeau bass player so i even had to keep checking with him going 'does this suck to you or is it just me' Ray agreeed, and after the 5th dream theater song we left.
I could hear portnoy clearly off the sequence click they were playing too. The whole band was looking at him like what are you doing dude. I could hear the click track from his monitor on the up beats across the stage. Not just once either, it happened on like 3 tunes ouf of Five. Its was pitiful. If you ever see him play also watch his right hand, he plays nothing but eighth notes. Man you can play in any time signiture if your right hand just plays eights and keeps the time for you. Hey maybe he had a bad night, we all do but from what i saw I think when they record their records mikes is heavily relying on pro tools and cutting and pasting. Like i said its just my opinion. Im not trying to casue an argument im trying to educate. The only thing good I can say is his drum set was beautiful, and so was his wife. Oh yea and he had cool shoes.
joe
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:00
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I just realized that Harrison isn't here. No Gavin?!? That is a crime. But then again, he is fairly new to the scene. If Portnoy gets a nod, certainly Gavin Harrison deserves recognition.
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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:08
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Totally useless to place Portnoy on this list. Because "importance" is referred mainly to the influence of a drummer, I mean, how influential was him. Then, how is Portnoy influential if he appeared after two decades of the purest (and the best) prog music? That's impossible. He can has the skills alright and whatever, but NEVER be influential in prog music; and just because he was (as a guy posted before) too young at the time. ------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:12
Holy crap, Joe! I just checked out your website. Very nice and your drumming is excellent. I loved the track off Arrhythmia. You have played with some pretty important names in the music business. Nice!
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:31
thanks for the kind words. i have been one of the lucky ones. many more drummers better than me. But all you guys should know this. Chops are cool and lord knows I have a few. Trust me i record almost every day and i play them over and over. ha!! But you want to make a living playling drums, you better be able to play to a click, and groove the band, don't over play and play for the music. Develop a good ear, listen to the music. Drum solos will get you clinics, maybe? Groove will get you gigs with good acts. Groove guys, and save your chops for when you need them . My first studio gig the producer told me "Whow man you can really tear those drums up" i GOT A BIG SMILE AND SAID THANK S MAN, then he said "just remember if you start in the statosphere you got no where else to go.
Joe ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: xenuwantsyou
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:43
| I voted for Bruford, but if we were talking about today I would be extremely tempted to say Harrison. To see the man drum is an amazing experience. The way he just effortlessly throws thing in at just the right time makes for a very enjoyable experience. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 13:52
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Threads like these are always a great opportunity to remind people of some less-known - but not less-worthy - drummers.
This time it's going to be the late, great, Ian Wallace - beautiful, exquisite playing on King Crimson's "Islands". In general, KC's pre-Bruford drummers - Wallace, Michael Giles and Andy McCulloch - are undeservedly ignored. 
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Posted By: themaninblack
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:10
| Peart in my opinion, but so many great one's to choose from. |
Posted By: The Acolyte
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:21
I will try to make a balance of things that a great drummer must have, that is, passion, technical skills, etc...and my vote goes to "other", Andy Ward (Camel)...his performance on "A Live Record" is awesome, just like in all the other albums he played with Camel. ------------- "…but would I leave you in this moment of your trial?" |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:33
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i forgot something. The mos important progressive drummer would have been years ago to set the standard for most of the drummers listed. So Guys like Danny Carey who i admire were to young. So I vote for these guys
A. Rod Morgenstein
b. Gene Lake
c. Tony Williams
d. Billy Cobham
e. Steve Gadd with chick corea
f. Phil Earheart from Kansas
g. Vinne Caluitia
bill bruford hands down
simon phillips- played with jeff back when he was 17
plus Carl Palmer for sure. saw him live he kicks ass
Cant count bozzio yet he was still in missing persons then.
case you need info:
Rod morgenstein--Dixie Dregs
Gene Lake--Steve Coleman
Tony Williams Miles davis
Billy Cobham- the M orchestra and bobby and the midnights. Bob wear from the greatful deads band with alfonso johnson on bass
Phil- Kansas
Steve Gadd--chick corea
vinnie Caluita frank zappa
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:38
You mean Steve God?
 His drumming with Steely Dan is outstanding. An example of this is the work he does in the title track of Aja, which could be considered a Prog track. Modern Drummer had once transcribed all of it. A drummer friend I was studying with, could play it after weeks of practice, but alas, I never gave it a go.
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:45
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:48
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 14:53
BTW...Peart talks about Steve Gadd being an influence on occasion. Neil Peart is the main reason, but not only the one, I took up drumming.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:07
Mr.Bruford was extremely influenced by Mr.Michael Giles from the 2 first KC's album.. Does that make you feel better?  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:09
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Don't get me wrong. I was a huge Peart Fan in my teens. A few things about him changed that for me. I met him in Philly after a show. I was like 18 and a huge rush and peart fan. Long story short he was an asshole to me. It really hurt me back then, and it turned me off the guy. No reason to be a jerk to other aspiring drummers that admire you. I went home and took all his posters down. Then I fouond guys like Morgenstein in the Dregs, and tony williiams, Miles Davis and Gadd on that Chick Corea record. Peart was a big influence on me too, but I did discover when I got older much better drummers. The only Peart thing Istill do to this day 20 years or more later is tune my drums to the call of the races like he did.
Karma was a bitch for him when he played with Buddys' Band. Its on Dvd. I actually felt bad for the guy. He took lessons from Freddie Grubber after that experience. It was really bad, but hey in Rush he kicks ass.
joe
I got get off this site, its like crack ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:11
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Peart.Then Bruford and Danny Carey. You guys always overlook Brann Dailor in these polls,which is almost criminal. -------------  |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:13
Never heard of Brann please educate me
thanks joe ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:14
Yep, I remember a letter years back in Modern Drummer where he was a complete and utter ass to a young drummer. And I agree, there is no place for it. I admire his contributions. To this day he remains an introvert. Although he may not outwardly admit it, he hates his public. Thank god the other two in the band make up for his, well, rudeness.
Yes, this site can be very addicting. It's the premiere Prog Forum in my book.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:18
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Bruford & Cobham.
BTW, ehere the hell is Captain Beefheart's drummers? They're great!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:18
Brann Dailor is the drummer for the prog metal band Mastodon.I have never really heard anyone play like he does,his style is very eclectic.
http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001072 - http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001072
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:23
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:29
Hey there Mr. Humble,
What's this?
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Joe_Morris.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Joe_Morris.html
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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:36
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For now Andy Ward's (Camel, golden days) style appeals to me. so I voted other... Bruford is also one hell of a drummer and the others are fine |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:56
Not really. I know Bruford was influenced by him. Still, he is rarely mentioned here. |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:56
I can't believe I dropped Morgan Ågren's name here, and nobody reacted!
Think I'm gonna go stand inthe corner and sulk. 
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Posted By: demolition man
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:57
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 16:20
Neil Peart 
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Posted By: The Bard
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 16:29
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<sarcasm> Phill Collins 4 LYF!!! </sarcasm> ------------- Let the music be your master. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 16:33
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Bruford because of how many bands he played in and how many good albums were made with him on the drums. UK - s/t KC - Larks Tongues In Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, Red Yes - Fragile, Close to the Edge etc... I know I missed a few good albums out but thats because these are the only ones I've heard so far |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 17:00
| Only really paid attention to the big names and out of them Bruford....but that can change easily. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 18:33
| I think Bruford and Collins were the most innovative of the Golden Age prog drummers. Palmer and Bruford were probably the most influential. Peart and Christian Vander both are extremely important for reasons that go beyond the drum kit. |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 18:35
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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 20:24
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the ones for me are:
1. Carl Palmer 2. Bill Bruford 3. Phill Collins (only as a drummer of course!!!!) ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2007 at 20:32
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easy.... the king of Prog Drumming.. Carl Palmer ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Evandro Martini
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 00:23
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Carl Palmer rules! I'm still perplex with his solo I watched last March. How can a human being produce the music he produces?
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 00:29
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It's almost stupid how good terry Bozio is. ------------- 
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:35
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Guys want some good avise from my heart . and I'm not tring to be a jerk, just giving you something to think about. Having banter over all these topics does nothing to move you forward in your drumming careers/ . All drummers have something to offer, even the really average ones do something good. So something i want you to thinnk about is take the time you spend on here throwing your opinions around and sometimes getting angry at each other doing more productive stuff. Dont' spend three hours a day on the web site, spend 3 hours a day on your drums.
We didnt have this stuff when i was comiig up so all i had to do was practice. So if your really wanting to become a pro drummer and soley make your living playing drums i stronly suggest you get off here and start shedding.
Maybe someday guys will be talking about you on this site. Network yourselves, go to jam nights and get your name aroud the town you live in. Get in a practice routine. Come to the drum sites for knowledge not to argue. Not being a dick just telling you how iti is. You wont land a nationa tour by coming here everyday and shotting your mouths off. But you might if you practice . hope you get that
ONE THING PERFEC;TU CLEAR TO GUYS, I AM IN NO WAY BASHING THIS WEB SITE. iTS ONE OF THE COOLER ONES HAVE FOUND. JUST SPLIT YOUR TIME, DON'T SPEND 3 HOURS HERE GOING AT IT WITH SOME ONE WHO LIKES ANOTHER DRUMMER BETTERT THAN YOU. sh*t THAS NOT IMPORTANT. COME HERE FOR THE HANG WITH YOU FELLOW DRUMMERS, BUT AT LEAST SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND PRACTICE (STUF YOU SUCK AT) FOR TWO HOURS EVERY DAY. YOU WILL BE AMAZED ATHOW MUCH BETTER YOU START TO PLAY. ONE LAST TIP MY FAVORITE DRUM WORK OUT IN THE WHOLE WORLD THAT I HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS KENNY ARNOFF'S POWER WORK OUT 1 AND POWER WORK OUT 2. i CANT' PRACTICE AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE THESE DAYS BECAUSE OF MY TOURING AND STUDIO SCHEDULE BUT ISTILL SNEAK IT IN
CHECK IT OUT GUYS POWER WORK OUT ONE IS FOR YOUR DOUBLE KICK AND NDPENDECE AND POWER WORK OUT TWO IS ALL ABOUT INDEPENCE. BEST WORK OUT I HAVE EVERY SEEN, AND DOES TONS FOR YOUR PLAYING. IM JUST HERE TO HELP YOU ANYWAY I CAN. I HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH A GREAT DRUMMING CAREER, HAVE BECOME AN EQUAL WITH THE GUYS I USED TO GO SEE AS KID. NOTHING BEATS JUST PLAYING DRUMS FOR A LIVING. NOTHING.
SO STAY FOCUSED, BE COOL TO EACH OTHER AND PRACTICE STUFF YOU SUCK AT NOT STUFF YOUR GOOD AT.
ALL THE BEST
JOE
all the best
joe morris
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Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:47
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UOTE=schizoid_man77]It's almost stupid how good terry Bozio is.[/QUOTE]
zI totally agrree. Bozzio is just off this planet. he is like drum composer. I put him and Vinnie Caluita in the same alien shhip they flew here from For sure some of the top drummers today. Think thtat really crakes me up about Teryy is he is so soft spoken. I met his x wife once because I did a one off with Missing Persons after Terry quit. All I can say is if she was my wife i would be quiet too. She was off the hook.
anylway good taste in drummers bro. Bozzios ostinatos blow me away
all the best
joe ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:49
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Keith Moon. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:56
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:00
Well, tis so! Most important? Ha! Dude was like the Hendrix of drummers; he inspired Carl Palmer. Best? Totally. His drumming could be rythmic, lyrical, or lend itself to the sound effects.
The only guy on that list that can touch him...that I've heard anyways...is Bruford. And Bruford is, of course, scarily good. But Keith was the best. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:07
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BOTH I SAW AJA YEARS AGO IN PITTBURG, NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING ELP, BUT WENT TO SEE CARL. THE SHOW WAS OK, BUT I ALMOST CRAPPED MY PANTS DURIGN THE DRUM SOLO.
HE COULD THROW HIS STICKS UNDER NEATH HIS ARM PITS WHILE HES PLAYING AND THEY WOULD COME UP RIGHT OVER HIS SHOULDERS AND HE WOULD CATCH THEM EVERYTIME. I WAS LIKE 17 THEN
WELL NEEDLESS TO SAY I HAD OVER 300 STICKS IN THE BACK OF MY BEDROOM TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT. I NEVER DID GET IT. LOTS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS PLUS I GOT TIRED OF PICKING ALL THE STICKS UP
GREAT DRUMMER AND HES NOT THAT YOUNG AND STILL KICKED SOME SERIOUS ASS
KUDOS ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: JOE MORRIS
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:40
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE PEOPLE ALWAYS COMPARED ME TO KEITH MOON. NO AGRUMENT FROM ME. HE WAS AWESOME ------------- JOE MORRIS |
Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 04:54
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For me only one in this poll is standing out!!!!!!!!!And it's Bruford!!!!!!!!!!I think that anyone voting for another drummer hasn't heard or paid attention on Brufford's drums!!!
Except Cobham.I haven't heard any of his works so I don't have an opinion... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 04:57
oh come on, I love Bill too but be serious. |
Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 07:41
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Most important = Neil Peart
I say that because I have known more people who have taken up drumming because of his work with Rush. Bruford is a very close second in terms of importance. Bruford's name is not as recognized outside of the the Prog community whereas it is pretty common for "non-Proggers" to know who Neil Peart is. A lot of that has to do with Rush's many crossovers into mainstream during their career.
Best = Gavin Harrison
I see in Harrison a combination of Peart's precision, Bruford's emotion, and Stewart Copeland's nuances. I'm a professional musician (guitarist/vocalist) and I cannot remember the last time a drummer consistently impressed me as much as Harrison. I was fortunate enough to see Porcupine Tree back in May and was just blown away by his presence.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:27
That depends a lot on where you live. I had been into prog all my life and never heard his name before I came to this site. And Rush were not regarded as prog at all in my circles; everyone considered them to be a hardrock band. In the musical circles I moved in the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen (and he still is for me). So much for different perceptions. And of course I took up drumming because of Moerlen. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:32
That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:32
Practice makes perfect! To relate to your point, back about 20 years or so, I wanted to make my career in music as a drummer. After my normal day job, I'd go and practice 2-3 hours, studying out of various drum instruction books (Hats off to Roy Burns for teaching me syncopation!). Indeed, many took notice after about 6 months on the dramatic iimprovement of my playing. I wonder where I'd be if I didn't wimp out and get a "real life".
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:35
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Oops, sorry about the double post.
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Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:49
Perhaps - but I'll gladly wager that Peart has influenced far more drummers from all over the globe than Pierre Moerlen has (whom, by the way, I've never heard of either). That's not a knock on Morelen's talent, just the fact that Peart's work is more well-known worldwide. The poll asked most "important/best" which I feel are two distinct categories.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:32
I'd put a wager against that. In Europe Moerlen will definitely be known better than Peart, and be it for his work with Mike Oldfield only. So again it all depends on where you live. And I personally think that for prog Europe is a little more important than America. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:46
I'd say it comes down to exposure. The one better known is mostlikely better known because of the music they have benn part of creating. In addition, one should refer to publications like Modern Drummer and Drummer Magazine. Drummers who are mentioned more often will get invested by active drummers and potentially be influenced more by the more acclaimed.
For these reasons, and not abilities, I see Peart as being a leader. However, I suspect Bruford or even Collins probably have bigger impact to European drummers than either of the afore mentioned.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:56
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there is something about Bruford... pretty unique drummer, not a show off, quite minimalistic at times... but ever so imaginative!
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Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:00
....and people always complain that Americans think they are the center of the world...Fortunately, Europe does not constitute the entire world either.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with where you live. I understand you have great respect for Moerlen and that is perfectly fine. However you cannot compare his impact to that of Neil Peart or even Bruford.
Whether or not you like Rush, whether or not you think Peart is competent outside of "the Rush gig" (as some have posted here) - his impact and importance are undeniable in the realm of progressive rock drumming. There are probably more Europeans who have never heard of Moerlen than Europeans who have never heard of Neil Peart.
And since Moerlen is unfortunately deceased, it is unlikely his popularity and influence will ever be much more than it is today.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:08
Again this is a question of where you live. Drum magazines with its origin in America will of course focus on American drummers. I, however, live in Europe. Peart is a minor figure here (at least in Germany). "Important" also definitely has a personal connotation. The importance of Peart for me personally equals nil. My drumming style is mostly influenced by Moerlen, followed by Vander and Neumeier. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:25
Peart is not American....he is a French Canadian.
I understand your point regarding personal interpretation of 'most important'. I was not thinking subjectively when I named Peart. I was thinking objectively and leaving my personal opinions aside. What I have observed, what I have read, and what I have seen with my own eyes is the level of impact Peart has had on others (especially drummers I have worked with throughout my 20+ years of recording and performing live).
I personally prefer Bruford's drumming style above all others. However, being subjective I recognize that Neil Peart's name and influence surpasses Bruford's.
Peart as 'most important' is not my personal opinion, but rather what I have observed in others.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:28
I beg to differ that Peart is a minor figure in Germany. A sell-out crowd in Frankfurt for the R30 tour demands notice to the impact of the band, and hence the notariety of Peart. This show was so well attended, the R30 DVD was taped there.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:33
I did not say "US-American". I know Peart is Canadian. It may come as a surprise to you, but America is a continent  .------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:38
heh! Try telling that to the French Canadians in Quebec.....they want to be their own country AND their own continent!
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:50
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:51
Two continents actually
Sorry ´bout that Friede, you made your point. As for my own pick: I voted Collins, more with my heart than with my head. Maybe I should have voted Palmer, Bruford, Moerlen or the magnificent Michael Giles. I wouldn´t vote for Peart because I miss something with him, in the more subtle ranges.
Why Collins, fellow progheads? Yes, I know that he disowned his wonderful drumming style from Abacab on. Nevertheless, I voted for him for two reasons:
1. Nobody voted for him yet, and he is, or was, one of the best drummers in prog
2. He has a large drum vocabulary: he can be subtle and overpowering, he contributed some original drum sounds to music, his contributions are easily recognisable but he´s never too loud in the mix (for my taste anyway). When you listen to Brand X, you can hear that he didn´t show everything he´s capable of.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:01
Get serious. I saw Bruford's name on a list of top 100 JAZZ drummers a couple of weeks ago. He was number 46, which is pretty darn good for somebody competing against the likes of Rich, Roach, and Krupa.
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Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:24
Good for him.
That has nothing to do with the fact he is less well-known (as a name) than Neil Peart, but good for him nonetheless.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:50
You can only speak for the area you live in. Hardly anyone knows Peart here, except for Rush fans. Bruford on the other hand is very well known here. I am afraid most of the Rush fans live in the USA and Canada (though of course there are some here).. Also of course there is no such thing as an "objective viewing". We all see and hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest. That's a phenomenon known as "selective perception". Of course the principles of this selective perception apply to me as well. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:54
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:56
Selective perception applies everywhere. Do you know all the drummers in your country, or just your neighborhood or circle of friends? Also add on straight forward rock drummers and maybe even metal drummers who have moved into Prog because of Peart. This possibly would not have happened to such a large extent with Bruford. In fact, Portnoy probably is better known than Peart and Bruford, as much as I hate to admit it.
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Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:53
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Sorry, have to butt in again, but it's not me, it's my boyfriend drummer, who's asking if anybody here appreciates Daniel Denis??? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 16:22
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Firefly - Morgan Agren is a monster
Rover - have some Pierre Moerlen, he's worth it. The eternal Peart vs Moerlen issue - In Poland Peart is definitely better-known than Moerlen. And I really have no idea what kind of people here, apart from any Gong fans and some drumming specialists, would really know and appreciate Moerlen. I guess the rock drummers would listen to the standard fare of Bonham, Paice and Peart, and jazz guys to the equally standard set of Jones, Haynes, DeJohnette etc. But sure, fame and notoriety differ depending on what social circles one looks at - and in my social circle of one, a drummer named Fenriz used to be much more famous than Peart and Moerlen put together .
And, of course, the whole point is moot - the best drummer is Ringo, followed by Charlie Watts, Bonham, Meg White and Joey Jordison .
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Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 18:14
You just won MAJOR points with me.
But I gotta tease you a little.... Meg White? Seriously????????? (other than the fact that she's cute).
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 02:43
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No, of course not. There is this talk here of who is the better known drummer, Peart or Moerlen. And I can't help thinking this is really about who is the better drummer.
And so, the whole point is moot, because the drummers I mentioned are more famous than Peart or Moerlen. But are they really better? |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 02:50
| Moerlen is excellent, one of my favourite drummers! |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 04:06
I wonder who's the most famous drummer ever, no matter the genre, and no matter where you come from. Bonham? Ward? I've actually no idea.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 04:15
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^ I'd think Ringo, then guys like Buddy Rich, Keith Moon..
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:18
| I don't know about most influential, but as far as "best" goes, the only drummers on the list that I acknowledge as really really really good (and by this I mean at a level that is not met by most professional drummers, let's face it, there are a lot of unknown drummers out there that have totally surpassed some of our beloved prog drummers) are Billy Cobham, Terry Bozzio, and Virgil Donati. I don't like Terry Bozzio or Virgil Donati's playing, or more specifically the music they usually play along to, and I enjoy Cobham and his music a fair amount, so I choose Cobham. He's my favorite on the list anyway. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 17:31
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Most important prog drummer - Bruford., I would say, for all he's done.
Best? A matter of opinion.....but again in the context of prog music, probably Bruford again.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 17:35
oh christ... it isn't that hard... Keith Moon. Larger than life... both behind the kit and out from it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 18:06
Maybe...maybe not...I don't presume to know the real answer. But I wonder if that's actually true. I was thinking globally. I'm pretty sure The Beatles got more exposure than The Who in great parts of the world...
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