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The Whistler 
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:30 |
Because I mentioned it in the 'Room.
Anyway, it seems like, for me at least, it should be the live version. I like the song well enough, and the live version seems more together. Plus Phil and Steve beat the pants off those others guys whose names I never bothered to learn. I especially like some part where the drums go "boom-bada-boom." Yeah. REAL descriptive there Whistler.
Anyway, but I kinda miss the sound effects and Gabriel voice effects that only a studio could provide. The question is...how much do I miss them...?!?
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:33 |
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Never too fond of 'Live', they didn't bring much new to the material and the studio mixes are far better.
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:39 |
 Atavachron wrote:
Never too fond of 'Live', they didn't bring much new to the material and the studio mixes are far better. |
Have to agree with you there. I love Genesis and all, but I prefer the whole Tull/King Crimson live approach. That's why I like the Knife; it's the song that's most drastically changed. In fact, it's just about the ONLY song that's changed (aside from the goofy pronounciation on "humanoid height!!!" in Get 'em Out by Friday)
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:45 |
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I usually don't care much for live versions of Genesis; they sound too much like the studio versions. Hearing Tony Banks noodle the keyboard solo from "Supper's Ready" note for note is really painful for me. "The Knife" though is one glorious exception; it really kicks ass, and I agree with Whistler that Phil and Steve play the pants off Anthony Phillips and John Mayhew. In fact the guitar solo towards the end is one of my favourite of all times in the live version.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:50 |
The Whistler wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Never too fond of 'Live', they didn't bring much new to the material and the studio mixes are far better. |
Have to agree with you there. I love Genesis and all, but I prefer the whole Tull/King Crimson live approach. That's why I like the Knife; it's the song that's most drastically changed. In fact, it's just about the ONLY song that's changed (aside from the goofy pronounciation on "humanoid height!!!" in Get 'em Out by Friday) |
There is one other change live that I like: The way Steve Hackett documents the anger of the plants in "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" after the line "Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge". But else... 
Edited by BaldFriede - February 16 2007 at 03:53
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:50 |
Oh yeah dude! I totally forgot about that killer guitar soloing at the end! It's nutty; it's like the most metal thing Genesis ever did, beating out the Doo-DOO-Doo-doo-etc line on Dancing with the Moonlight Knight. I guess I like the live version better (that didn't take long).
(But I do like the fact that I've taken a lush, talented, bombastic band like Genesis, and stripped them down to boom-bada and doo-doo. Which goes to show that ANYTHING can be air guitared, with a little practice)
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:52 |
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Off topic but I have to say, as sloppy and unhinged as they could be, after all these years I still think Zep brought the most energy, development and explosiveness to their concerts.
Edited by Atavachron - February 16 2007 at 03:54
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:54 |
OH YEAH! That reminds me, I wanted to get Song Remains the Same at some point...
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:57 |
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Dude, that record smokes. It's got much cooler versions of the Houses of the Holy material plus older stuff. One the single finest live rock documents I know.
.. dude
Edited by Atavachron - February 16 2007 at 03:58
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:58 |
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I generally prefer live albums to studio albums, especially with certain bands. Genesis is not one of them.
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 04:00 |
Uh, aside from Bursting Out, of course...
Dude! I love No Quarter! I think I should create a medley of The Knife and No Quarter that I sing as I walk down the street! People would really appreciate that!
Dude.
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 04:01 |
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DUDE!!! ...Shoulda quoted dude.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 04:07 |
The Whistler wrote:
Uh, aside from Bursting Out, of course... |
of course
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richardh
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:02 |
The original studio performance is majestic  .
I find the live version slightly inferior because Gabriel overdoes the vibrato and it doesn't suit Collins jazzier style IMO.
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prog4evr
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:03 |
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Voted for Live. Collins is better than - who is that drummer again? And, Hackett surpasses Anthony Phillips hands down....
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:26 |
Genesis Live is the album that took me into progrock and I am very grateful to Steve Hackett because of his fiery and powerful contribution: especially that mindblowing, great build-up solo is superior to Anthony Phillips his effort. In my opinion Hackett (who said to be Fripp inspired) was very important to turn Genesis into a progrock band with an own identity and a more 'rocky feel'.
During the The Musical Box (Genesis tribute band) concert I witnessed last month, The Knife was one of the highlights, so powerful, unique and every member has its creative contribution (like Peter Gabriel his emotion) to this song. A big hand for The Knife Live 
Edited by erik neuteboom - February 16 2007 at 05:27
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:28 |
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For me the live version rules and always will.
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salmacis
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:30 |
I agree with Erik; it's widely perceived that Hackett had the biggest contribution to the band's more symphonic sound, he urged them to buy a mellotron, for example. That symphonic grandeur left with him, despite ATTWT and Duke still being excellent albums.
However, I still prefer the Trespass version. I think Anthony Phillips' guitar solo is brilliant and makes me forgive the weak drumming of John Mayhew.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:54 |
Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did   !! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion  ...!
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iguana
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:57 |
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they also played it on the DUKE-tour, and that wasn't too bad, actually.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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