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Ghandi 2 
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 Posted: February 06 2007 at 15:33 |
 soundspectrum wrote:
im glad to see wikipedias definitions can be regurgatated throughout the world. close your eyes and open your ears. |
Yes, everyone's stupid but you. You still haven't given me a single source that says The Flaming Lips are Post-Rock. You can't just define genres how you wish, even with a genre as nebulous as post-rock: it has to be corroroborated by other people, or we would have musical chaos.
Also, I have to warn you: that track by EITS is the heaviest on The Earth is not a Cold Dead Place, and most of the other songs don't come close to rocking that hard. I'm warning you because when I first listened to it that is what I was expecting. Which is much what Mogwai sounds like, who seem to me to be unfairly ignored on this site in favor of GYBE or Sigur Ros.
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soundspectrum
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Posted: February 06 2007 at 18:56 |
musical chaos??? scary aint it??? I dont know what id do without genres...how else could i pretend like im better than everybody with my elitist taste?
it would seem that this is the conservative view on music....when i do present a "source" on this trivial topic must it be recognized by a notary as well???
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: February 06 2007 at 19:53 |
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No, just show that someone who has some idea what he's talking about shares your perception of post-rock. Remember, it has to be a real website.
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MysticalGaze
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Posted: February 06 2007 at 22:07 |
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post-rock is a diverse genre. you have bands like Stereolab, Godspeed You Black Emperor!/A Silver Mt Zion, Cul de Sac, Magyar Posse, Lebanon, Bark Psychosis, Beware of Safety, Mogwai, Tortoise, Explosions in the Sky, Broadcast etc covering a wide spectrum. I wouldn't say that it has anything to do with having 15 minute plus songs.
there are many subdivisions within the genre. also of interest is post-metal, bands like Isis, Russian Circles etc that don't quite fit into post-rock.
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There is no fear in love.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 06 2007 at 23:23 |
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Try Isis's Panopticon maybe. It's kind of post-metal, quite interesting.
I also heard this band called Boxes of Squares, I'm not sure if they are post-rock or not but they kind of sound like it if I remember correctly. |
my problem with Isis (and a few other post-metal bands though Isis seems to be the worst offender) are the annoying yelling vocals, which completely do not add to the atmosphere being created whatsoever. In fact, the only post-metal band like this that I can tolerate to date (I haven't heard many others, just Neurosis and Isis) is Mouth of the Architect, whom I suggest in addition to Pelican (who are instrumental and IMO the best in the 'subgenre') 
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superprog
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 05:16 |
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Originally posted by soundspectrum
im glad to see wikipedias definitions can be regurgatated throughout the world. close your eyes and open your ears.
yes, while vehemently denying all common sense and basic consensus, i suppose. i'm not one for majority rulez always watever but theres gotta be SOME limits set somewhere.........
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rushaholic
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 07:23 |
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Just discovered a great post-rock band from New Zealand called Jakob.
Anyone ever hear of them?
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laplace
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 09:45 |
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none of this stuff is challenging in anyway so I can't find myself loving it, but I do quite like bark psychosis, slint and rachel's.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 09:47 |
Interesting... MotA's hardcore vocals are a whole lot more present than Isis. Hell, on Panopticon you can hardly tell there's vocals at all sometimes. They are certainly an acquired taste, but I think it adds another element to the power of the music.
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superprog
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 11:57 |
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without the vokillz the whole picture is just not there. esp so for a band like Neurosis......
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 13:41 |
laplace wrote:
none of this stuff is challenging in anyway so I can't find myself loving it, but I do quite like bark psychosis, slint and rachel's. |
o rly? I think that groups like GYBE or Mogwai do present a "challenge" (even if it's not as much as Ruins or whatever), but even so, I don't necessarily always want to be challenged whenever I listen to music.
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Philéas
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 14:15 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
o rly? I think that groups like GYBE or Mogwai do present a
"challenge" (even if it's not as much as Ruins or whatever), but even
so, I don't necessarily always want to be challenged whenever I listen
to music. |
But he apparently does. Freedom of opinion! 
Personally, I find some Post-Rock bands more challenging than other,
and I tend to prefer the more challenging ones, although I listen to
not-very-challenging-at-all music aswell.
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soundspectrum
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 17:31 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
No, just show that someone who has some idea what he's talking about shares your perception of post-rock. Remember, it has to be a real website. |
as opposed to a fake website??
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 17:53 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Interesting... MotA's hardcore vocals are a whole lot more present than Isis. Hell, on Panopticon you can hardly tell there's vocals at all sometimes. They are certainly an acquired taste, but I think it adds another element to the power of the music.
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I must've been listening to the wrong stuff by Isis then  Neurosis still probably has the worst of those ...I think it can occasionally add to the music, but sometimes they're just totally unnecessary
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 20:27 |
soundspectrum wrote:
Ghandi 2 wrote:
No, just show that someone who has some idea what he's talking about shares your perception of post-rock. Remember, it has to be a real website. |
as opposed to a fake website??
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No, a real website, such as The Silent Ballet, as opposed to some guy on a forum, like yourself, or some idiot's Angelfire page. I think you are being deliberately annoying to evade the inescapable fact that The Flaming Lips are not post-rock (and for other reasons as well).
One question mark is sufficient.
Edited by Ghandi 2 - February 08 2007 at 21:14
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Arrrghus
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 20:33 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
soundspectrum wrote:
ghandi, i have a feeling that not only do you not know jack about the flaming lips, you have a problem with admitting that you are wrong. could you again remind me where the roots of post rock are??? since you seem to know all about the genre, and about life. dil
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Talk Talk was in the process of releasing their groundbreaking Spirit of Eden while The Flaming Lips were still releasing mediocre '80s pop albums.I'd have to agree with the others on this one. I'm not exactly understanding where you're hearing post-rock in The Flaming Lips' early work especially. |
All true, except that the albums TFL released in the 80s aren't mediocre - they're pretty good!
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soundspectrum
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Posted: February 09 2007 at 03:10 |
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I hope your basking in all your glory. But things can change, after all your beloved wikipedia can be edited by anybody but not without signing up for FREE. I just may be able to rewrite history after all. I believe there is a winter load waiting for you at the silent ballet, open up.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 09 2007 at 03:15 |
laplace wrote:
none of this stuff is challenging in anyway so I can't find myself loving it, but I do quite like bark psychosis, slint and rachel's.
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Hey a Rachel's fan! 
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chamberry
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Posted: February 09 2007 at 14:27 |
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chamberry
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Posted: February 09 2007 at 14:29 |
soundspectrum wrote:
I hope your basking in all your glory. But things can change, after all your beloved wikipedia can be edited by anybody but not without signing up for FREE. I just may be able to rewrite history after all. I believe there is a winter load waiting for you at the silent ballet, open up. |
Things may change at wikipedia, but it still wont change the fact that The Flaming Lips are aren't post-rock. 
Edited by chamberry - February 10 2007 at 10:58
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