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    Posted: January 17 2007 at 05:39
ok, first off: this is not about bashing Tool; second: I enjoy some of their material (most parts of Aenima and Lateralus), though I tend to consider them rather a clever metal band than a prog metal one

KC on the other hand, I love every bit of it and it ranks as one of my all time bands; I also consider it to be one of the most influential and innovative group outhere

so maybe I'm missing something really obvious, or I haven't been listening to Tool the right way, but everybody seems to be seeing a lot of KC in Tool

my question then is: what is it? technically, musically speaking, what is the connection between Tool and KC? what sounds like KC in Tool? cause as far as I'm concerned at this point, not much... Confused


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Once I've heard a bootleg of Tool and KC concert where they played together on stage at once... maybe that's the roots of similarity between them:)))
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Math Rock is the similarity.
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Points: 825 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 07:23
d.bottril produced both TOOL and KC's "thrak".
TOOL have always championed KC's influence on them.
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well, thank you for your posts but can anybody be a little more specific than "well, i think it's obivous, they're both prog" or "they're both complicated" ? Ermm
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Points: 2703 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 07:52
IMO Tool relates to KC in a similar way as "prog-related" relates to "prog" - i.e. no relation at all
 
On a serious note - I do not like Tool at all, and KC is one of my favourite bands - so basically can't answer your question.
 
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I love both. TOOL is actually my fave Metal band, though I AIN'T neither Prog-Metal nor Alternative Metal(where early TOOL use to belong) fan at all. I love KC too, and I don't care for the presence/absence of similarity.Both are incredibly awesome. "10 000 Days" is my favourite from this year.
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I'm glad that Tool are not just a modern, heavier version of KC ... nobody needs that, since KC themselves did that on The Power to Believe.Smile

I think the similarity goes beyond the mere fact that both bands play complex music - they're also both very abstract, and put the music (especially the artistic aspect) above themselves as musicians, particularly in live situations.
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I think it's the dark repetitive nature of Tool in songs like Intension, Disposition or Reflection. I can see that they listened to a bit of "Discipline".

I think they are very different bands anyways. Both are very innovative and influential.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 10:13
I answered that question in this thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27626&KW=tool


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TOOL and KC tend to write a lot of dark and gloomy material. Stuff that isn't necessarily angry, but dark and heavy, and of course complex.
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I geuss only having heard ITCOTKC by Crimson, and Lateralus by Tool, I'm obviously missing the albums where they are similar...
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During interviews on the KC & Tool tour, Tool pretty much admitted to plagerising KC's musical style.
 
The only difference is that Adam Jones doesn't even come close to matching Fripp's ability, but he obviously wishes he could.


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If I was in a band that was getting plenty of attention King Crimson would be an excellent band to claim to plagiarise from a business point of view.


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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

During interviews on the KC & Tool tour, Tool pretty much admitted to plagerising KC's musical style.
 
The only difference is that Adam Jones doesn't even come close to matching Fripp's ability, but he obviously wishes he could.



sad that tool headlined that tour...everybody was like who is king crimson???
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 15:08
And here we go again.
 
So who wants to bash Tool this time?Ermm
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Points: 1381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 16:03
I started this same thread a couple weeks (or months..?) ago.
 
I completly agree, I don't see much of a connection. but other people do...
 
whatever. Both are great.
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 19:15
Without wishing to duplicate Jody's contribution to the debate, it's worth remembering that when King Crimson recorded The Construkction Of Light Fripp said that they were aiming for a sound like Tool's - this after the two bands had toured together.

I suspect that in many cases Tool are prog metal for people who don't like prog metal. It's certainly true in my case; Lateralus is one of the few prog metal albums that I listen to regularly, and while I don't think it's an absolute masterpiece I'd rate it as one of the strongest rock albums in any genre so far this millennium.
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Points: 2822 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 20:36
For me it's the precision and the interplay of the instruments.
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2007 at 20:40
They relate cause I think both are awesome, therefor the link...me!Hug
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