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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:11
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I got a 30 gb iPod Video for Christmas, and I have a question.

If I borrow a CD from a friend or a library and upload it onto my iPod, is that legal/moral? My uncle said it was, but it seems to me like it would be stealing since I am getting copyrighted material without paying for it.

Thanks for your help.
 
Yes it's illegal, you don't own a legal copy of the album.
 
It's absolutely legal to make a copy of all YOUR LEGALLY BOUGHT CD'S and copy them in MP3 format or whatever FOR PERSONAL USE, because that's one of the rights the copyright owner allows you.
 
But YOU have to pay for it first and only for your personal use.
 
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

If it is illegal, it shouldn't matter. Besides VDGG, all bands are super rich and don't need the money.

 
Holy God! a musical Robin Hood!!!!
 
One question is it legal to steal from Phil Collins house because he's so rich that doesn't matter???? I guess not, then it's equally illegal to steal his music (Yes some people want to steal that LOL).
 
If you are copying other person's property (Yes the musical composition is his property and from his family until 120 years after the first públication in most counries) it's illegal and stealing, doesn't matter if the owner is rich or poor, the act of taking other person's property is exactly the same.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:26
Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

Vompatti,

I don't know about your libraries, but in the libraries where I have used a photocopier, I had to complete and sign a form saying that I was photocopying a page or article for the purposes of academic research, for example. If you look in the front of every book you will find a clause stating something similar to the following:

"All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reprinted, or reproduced or utilized in any form or by any electronic, mechanical or other means, now known or hereafter invented, including photocopying and recording, or in any information storage and retrieval system, without permission in writing from the Publisher."

The above is from a book I just picked at random from my bookshelf. It's very clear: you cannot copy it. Full stop. Same applies to CDs and LPs.
 
You have to fill out forms to photocopy at the library? In CT, we don't have to fill out forms but it's 50 cents for every photocopy you make.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 21:00
Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up. Although I was hoping that I'd discovered an awesome loophole.:)

I pose you another question: what if I copy an album that I have already bought and then sell the original while keeping the copy to listen to?
    
I don't like what the iPod has come to stand for, but I must admit it's pretty cool. I can have about 260-270 albums on it, and that's encoded at the highest quality, 320 kb/s.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 22:05
Also illegal, Ghandi 2, because then two separate consumers are benefitting from paying once for the work. To take it to an extreme, what if the person you sold the CD to then copied it and sold it to someone else who then copied it and sold it to someone else who...

In the UK, if I remember correctly it's currently illegal to copy a CD to MP3 even for yourself, but the UK Government intends to (may have done so recently?) change the law because that particular law 'is an ass', to use the popular saying, and everyone is ripping their CDs to MP3 for their iPods.


EDIT: Yep, my memory was correct:

Daily Telegraph 30 Oct 2006 - Why you are breaking the law every time you copy a CD to your iPod

But, as I said, the current law is an ass and will no doubt be changed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 22:12
It's illegal, but theres no way in hell that it's going to bite you on the ass.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 22:18
Asses do bite arses, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 22:34
That's also what I thought. Oh well. No free lunch for me :)

I'm not worried about getting caught, or even really breaking the law; I'm worried about the morality. It may technically be wrong to copy a CD I bought, but it's not stealing so I don't really care because it's not like it's hurting the artist like stealing would. Just like I copied a CD my friend is lending me so it is easier for me to listen to it; that may break copyright law, but I'm going to delete it once I give it back to him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 04:16
În Germany we have a somewhat unique "exception" in our laws: Some of the restrictions usually defined by the rights holders don't apply for private use. That means that no matter whether a rights holder allows you to make private copies, you can do it. Also, differently to most other countries, you are allowed to make private copies of CDs and then sell the original, or borrow CDs from friends and copy them.

Personally I don't think this is ok ... in essence it means that for any burned/copied CD you have you can always say that you copied it from a friend, and nobody could prove you downloaded it from p2p (unless the files are watermarked of course).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 09:21
Morally, I suggest you do what I do. Get a copy, and if you like it, buy the album.
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