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Rice and Beans
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 15:19 |
its disappointing that this is purely based on techincal ability, because in my completely biased opinion it would be chris squire because Yes is one of the greatest bands in history, however, ive heard enough Victor Wooten to know that his technique is incredible, the things he can do with a bass are beyond that of wich one could fathom
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markosherrera
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 15:53 |
WOOTEN IS SKILLED BUT HIS MUSIC IS SKIMMED.
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Chus
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 20:29 |
facts are not subjective matters. I see Ian Anderson as a talented MUSICIAN, and I praise him for his multi-instrumentalism and compositions. However, unlike what many people like to believe, he's just average in every instrument he plays, as there are many who could simply outplay him in flute and guitar (and sax); despite all that I prefer to listen to JT's music rather than, say, many brazilian flutists or some flamenco guitarists(I love flamenco music, so it's high praise). The question is regarding purely technique, so let's hang our fanboy hats for a second and try to think "progressively" and objectively.
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East of Lyra
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Posted: December 08 2006 at 09:00 |
I prefer Squire.
But it would be ridiculous to say that he's more skilled than Wooten.
So Wooten it is.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:17 |
The results of the poll mean
a.) A significant number of people in progarchives know absolutely nothing about music.
b.) A significant number of people in progarchives are hopelessly biased.
Probably b.
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Philéas
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Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:30 |
I would replace music in a. with bass playing, as that is what the poll
is about. I'd also like to combine the two above points rather than
have them separate. We get point c.) A significant number of people in
Prog Archives know absolutely nothing about bass playing and are
hopelessly biased.
Still, Wooten is winning the poll, which must mean that there are a
significant number of people who do know a thing or two about bass
playing and are not hopelessly biased.
Edited by Philéas - December 09 2006 at 20:31
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smithers
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Posted: December 09 2006 at 21:57 |
From what I've seen I think there are many better bass players than Wooten. I've seen a few bits of footage of him and I'm not convinced he's any better than many bass players. I want some real footage of him actual plucking the bass and improvising some amazing complex bass lines. All I've seen is him slapping and tapping his bass. I think most bass players would not have a problem playing that kind of stuff
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Camel_APPeal
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Posted: December 09 2006 at 22:38 |
smithers wrote:
From what I've seen I think there are many better bass players than Wooten. I've seen a few bits of footage of him and I'm not convinced he's any better than many bass players. I want some real footage of him actual plucking the bass and improvising some amazing complex bass lines. All I've seen is him slapping and tapping his bass. I think most bass players would not have a problem playing that kind of stuff |
Hi again, Smithers!
I'm really curious, and with all respect I politely ask you: Do you play the bass guitar?
I mean, I'm not asking you in any sarcastic or offensive tone, I really want to know. I play the bass (as you may have already guessed given my avatar and signature), and in my own experience, figuring out Wooten basslines has demanded me more "skill" than Squire's. I love both styles, btw. Both Wooten and Squire have 'wow-ed' me! I'm not talking about other bassists just to keep it down to the two asked in the original poll question.
Peace!
EDIT: Of course, any bassists you consider worth checking out are more than welcome... The more the merrier!
Edited by Camel_APPeal - December 09 2006 at 22:41
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"After all, it's music what we're talking about here, so there's no best or worst; just what you like and what you don't"
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smithers
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 01:30 |
Camel_APPeal wrote:
smithers wrote:
From what I've seen I think there are many better bass players than Wooten. I've seen a few bits of footage of him and I'm not convinced he's any better than many bass players. I want some real footage of him actual plucking the bass and improvising some amazing complex bass lines. All I've seen is him slapping and tapping his bass. I think most bass players would not have a problem playing that kind of stuff |
Hi again, Smithers!
I'm really curious, and with all respect I politely ask you: Do you play the bass guitar?
I mean, I'm not asking you in any sarcastic or offensive tone, I really want to know. I play the bass (as you may have already guessed given my avatar and signature), and in my own experience, figuring out Wooten basslines has demanded me more "skill" than Squire's. I love both styles, btw. Both Wooten and Squire have 'wow-ed' me! I'm not talking about other bassists just to keep it down to the two asked in the original poll question.
Peace!
EDIT: Of course, any bassists you consider worth checking out are more than welcome... The more the merrier! |
Yeah I play bass. I'm not a fan of slapping at all. I don't like tapping either because it's alot simpler to do and you are relying too much on the amp to give you the sound. I like to put some traditional effort into my playing
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raindance
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 08:03 |
Chris Squire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you gave Squire a free reign in a jazz fuzion band he could do all the stuff that Wooten does and much more. It's far more difficult for a musician to play in a far more controlled envireonment. As some one has already said, don't be fooled by all the trickery of picking and slapping, it's not difficult.
Trust me, Squire is much better than Wooten
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Philéas
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 08:42 |
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:24 |
raindance wrote:
Chris Squire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you gave Squire a free reign in a jazz fuzion band he could do all the stuff that Wooten does and much more. It's far more difficult for a musician to play in a far more controlled envireonment. As some one has already said, don't be fooled by all the trickery of picking and slapping, it's not difficult.
Trust me, Squire is much better than Wooten |
Are you for real? Smithers, who's to say Wooten can't play traditionally? He can, and much better than Squire.
Edited by Sasquamo - December 10 2006 at 13:25
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progismylife
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:29 |
I wish I could have the skill Wooten possesses and the composing Chris Squire has.
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smithers
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 16:48 |
Neither Squire or Wooten are the best anyway.
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progismylife
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 16:52 |
smithers wrote:
Neither Squire or Wooten are the best anyway. |
This is about these two specific bassists. Please stay on topic.
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mrgd
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 19:04 |
May I respectfully suggest to those bass players [and I am one] who say that slapping and 'popping '[popping I believe is recognised as beginning with Robert 'Pops' Popwell] in the style of VW is not that difficult to do, either suffer from a lack of technique to do it properly ,are not being honest with themselves about their own abilities [or lack thereof] or simply do not have the capacity to undestand the extent of VW's prowess.
Clearly he is capable of all styles and has demonstrated this both on recordings and live. The Flecktones are one of the most improvisational bands around so I just don't understand where half these comments are coming from.
I simply couldn't imagine that people who visit this site are being dishonest ,or at best, would let their blind admiration of a player/composer, a band and an era get in the way of objective opinion. Never let it be said!
Some of them profess to be musicians furtermore altho. I certainly do understand the difference between playing bass and being a musician who plays bass and therein lies the key to all this IMO.
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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smithers
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 20:36 |
I never slap my bass. Sounds crap to my ears
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The Green Tank
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 21:56 |
Chris Squire overall has the better skill.
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mrgd
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Posted: December 10 2006 at 22:13 |
TO GREENTANK:
Spoken like a true Rickenbacker enthusiast.
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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Philéas
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Posted: December 11 2006 at 04:15 |
mrgd wrote:
May I respectfully suggest to those bass players [and I am one] who say that slapping and 'popping '[popping I believe is recognised as beginning with Robert 'Pops' Popwell] in the style of VW is not that difficult to do, either suffer from a lack of technique to do it properly ,are not being honest with themselves about their own abilities [or lack thereof] or simply do not have the capacity to undestand the extent of VW's prowess.
Clearly he is capable of all styles and has demonstrated this both on recordings and live. The Flecktones are one of the most improvisational bands around so I just don't understand where half these comments are coming from.
I simply couldn't imagine that people who visit this site are being dishonest ,or at best, would let their blind admiration of a player/composer, a band and an era get in the way of objective opinion. Never let it be said!
Some of them profess to be musicians furtermore altho. I certainly do understand the difference between playing bass and being a musician who plays bass and therein lies the key to all this IMO. |
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