Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedThe Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
NotSoKoolAid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 507
Direct Link To This Post Topic: The Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock
    Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:24
I've heard a large number of Jazz Fusion groups in the past few years especially, new and old, recommended and not. Jazz Fusion/JazzRock is a wide range of music I believe, though the top few dozen Jazz Fusion albums on this website have a very recognizable, familiar, and similar style. They're all very different at the same time obviously, but is there a harder-hitting, more powerful sound out there in the Jazz Fusion world? Where's the aggressive side of Jazz Fusion? Is there such a thing?
Back to Top
markosherrera View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 01 2006
Location: World
Status: Offline
Points: 3252
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:28
colosseum,mahavishnu......
Back to Top
NotSoKoolAid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 507
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:34
Originally posted by markosherrera markosherrera wrote:

colosseum,mahavishnu......

    

I've heard all the high-ranked albums on this site. I forgot to mention.

Mahavishnu Orchestra was one of my first. Colosseum is also great.
Back to Top
Kleynan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: January 28 2006
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 720
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:53
So you've heard fusion Miles Davis then? Live-Evil is probably his heaviest. Bitches Brew is the best though.


You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.

Back to Top
NotSoKoolAid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 507
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:21
Originally posted by Kleynan Kleynan wrote:

So you've heard fusion Miles Davis then? Live-Evil is probably his heaviest. Bitches Brew is the best though.



Hey man, It's not THAT heavy. But yes I've heard Bitches Brew. Maybe I'll check out Live-Evil sometime
Back to Top
blazno View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: March 13 2006
Location: Slovenia
Status: Offline
Points: 218
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:45
You should try Niacin
Back to Top
GoldenSpiral View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 27 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3839
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:55
Gambale-Hamm-Smith is all I have to say.

oh, and Vital Tech Tones Thumbs Up
http://www.myspace.com/altaic
ALTAIC

"Oceans Down You'll Lie"
coming soon
Back to Top
NotSoKoolAid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 507
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 18:01
Originally posted by blazno blazno wrote:

You should try Niacin

    
Yes, they're on progarchive's list of best Jazz Fusion. I've heard a live album.
Back to Top
samhob View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: August 26 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 237
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 18:36
Miles Davis - Black Beauty Live At The Fillmore West, Or The Isle Of Wight

Embryo - Steig Aus

Annexus Quam - Osmose
Back to Top
chamberry View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 24 2005
Location: Puerto Rico
Status: Offline
Points: 9008
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:53
Out of Focus. Their debut is pretty hard rocky, but their second album is jazzier (and better)

Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65479
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:57
Planet X - 'Moonbabies'     absolutely spectacular progressive jazz metal
Colossueum II - 'Electric Savage'     tight and red-hot
Return to Forever - 'Romantic Warrior'     say no more
Back to Top
Howe Protege View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 27 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 236
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 21:27
Planet X
My favorite pasty faced British pal.
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12817
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:12

Niacin, excellent as they are, followed where Jonas Hellborg and the Johansson brothers had been : e  (hard Hammond dominated, bass heavy jazz rock fusion) and as the Shining Path with the death metal fusion of No Other World  (check out DEM/Bardo Records for both recordings). Hard brass rock/jazz rock fusion, (sorry to repeat myself but) said by many of those who have the record, is the best jazz rock of the 90's, Conrad Schrenk & Extravanganza's Save The Robots (check out Abstractlogix for this difficult to find but IMHO essential album). Located in the wrong place on the PA Electrocution 250 is jazz rock ultra-shred at 250 bpm.

Just remembered  I put myself (for in-car entertainment), an 80 minute burn of heavy  jazz fusion back in 2005 with the following track-listing, to provides some ideas of where to sample:

1.       Conrad Schrenk: 777 (ex. Save The Robots) - 666 and 888 are other interesting compositions/arrangement by guitarist Schrenk.
 
2.  Gongzilla: Image (ex. Thrive) - Gary Husband guesting on drums provides the heaviness

3.       Fire Merchants: Sybil (ex. Landlords Of Atlantis), Brand X side project(??) - example of what was called 'grunge jazz fusion' in the early 90's.

4.       Niacin: Swing Swang Swung (ex. Deep)

5.       Electrocution 250: Brainscrapper (ex. Electric Cartoon Music From Hell)

6.       The Shining Path: My Turn To Lose (ex. No Other World)

7.       Ohm: Searching For The Suicide King (ex. Ohm) - what do you expect with Chris Poland ex Megadeth as lead?

8.       Black Light Syndrome: Dark Corners (ex. BLS) - aka Bozzio Levin & Stevens

9.       David Fiuczynski: Shafta (ex. Black Cherry Acid Lab). Probably the most interesting  of the  younger American guitarist around. Also check out his band Scream Headless Torsos.

10.   Alkemy: Underwater (ex. Da 63 Project)

11.   Gambale, Hamm, Smith: Bad Intent (ex. Show Me What You Can Do) - Stu Hamm better known for collaborations with Vai and Satriani, flexing his fusion muscles in excellent company

12.   Shaun Baxter: Make It Reel (ex. Metal Jazz)
London-based music teacher, toured with Carl Palmer in 2003-ish.

13.   Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts: What Once Was (ex. Heavy Was A Sweater)

14.   Network: Looking Into Space (ex. LNC). Cobham drum technician (etc.)  Steve Clarke's Network with a strange hybrid of  jazz fusion and Scandanavian death metal - and Jan Hammer apparently playing keys!

15.  Jonas Hellborg Group: Dead (ex. Jonas Hellborg Group) - two and a half minutes of heavy fusion pleasure - trio of future Flower King's drummer plus two bass players (4 and 6 strings respectively).

Examples for the curious on Thursday nights radio show.

.




Edited by Dick Heath - December 11 2006 at 06:30
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2461
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:18
Originally posted by Howe Protege Howe Protege wrote:

Planet X


If you're talkin'bout X -

There's SONG X by Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman, VERY hard hitting.

Also John Zorn's SPY vs. SPY!   
Back to Top
Trickster F. View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 10 2006
Location: Belize
Status: Offline
Points: 5308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:25
I second Ohm, masterliness material right there.
sig
Back to Top
eugene View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: May 30 2005
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 2703
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:58
Liquid tension experiment 1 & 2
Bozzio-Levin-Stevens "Black Light Syndrome" & "Situation Dangerous"
carefulwiththataxe
Back to Top
NotSoKoolAid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 507
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 17:07
I just want to state, as fact, that Conrad Schrenk Extravaganza is amazing.

Thanks everybody for posting!
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 18:29
Originally posted by Howe Protege Howe Protege wrote:

Planet X


THe man said the answer
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
Mikerinos View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Planet Gong
Status: Offline
Points: 8890
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 19:02
Soft Machine - Bundles
Nucleus - We'll Talk About it Later
Quiet Sun - Mainstream

And I second checking out Embryo ('Steig Aus' and 'Father, Son, and Holy Ghost' are both great).
Back to Top
VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 19:05
Quiet Sun - Mainstream Big smile

Amazing album and very rocky for jazz rock/fusion.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.176 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.