The Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock
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Topic: The Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock
Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Subject: The Rockier/Harder side of Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:24
| I've heard a large number of Jazz Fusion groups in the past few years especially, new and old, recommended and not. Jazz Fusion/JazzRock is a wide range of music I believe, though the top few dozen Jazz Fusion albums on this website have a very recognizable, familiar, and similar style. They're all very different at the same time obviously, but is there a harder-hitting, more powerful sound out there in the Jazz Fusion world? Where's the aggressive side of Jazz Fusion? Is there such a thing? |
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:28
| colosseum,mahavishnu...... |
Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:34
I've heard all the high-ranked albums on this site. I forgot to mention. Mahavishnu Orchestra was one of my first. Colosseum is also great. |
markosherrera wrote:Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:53
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So you've heard fusion Miles Davis then? Live-Evil is probably his heaviest. Bitches Brew is the best though. ------------- 
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Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:21
Hey man, It's not THAT heavy. But yes I've heard Bitches Brew. Maybe I'll check out Live-Evil sometime |
Posted By: blazno
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:45
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You should try Niacin
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 17:55
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Gambale-Hamm-Smith is all I have to say. oh, and Vital Tech Tones  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 18:01
Yes, they're on progarchive's list of best Jazz Fusion. I've heard a live album. |
Posted By: samhob
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 18:36
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Miles Davis - Black Beauty Live At The Fillmore West, Or The Isle Of Wight Embryo - Steig Aus Annexus Quam - Osmose |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:53
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Out of Focus. Their debut is pretty hard rocky, but their second album is jazzier (and better)
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 20:57
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Planet X - 'Moonbabies' absolutely spectacular progressive jazz metal
Colossueum II - 'Electric Savage' tight and red-hot Return to Forever - 'Romantic Warrior' say no more |
Posted By: Howe Protege
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 21:27
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Planet X
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:12
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Niacin, excellent as they are, followed where Jonas Hellborg and the Johansson brothers had been : e (hard Hammond dominated, bass heavy jazz rock fusion) and as the Shining Path with the death metal fusion of No Other World (check out DEM/Bardo Records for both recordings). Hard brass rock/jazz rock fusion, (sorry to repeat myself but) said by many of those who have the record, is the best jazz rock of the 90's, Conrad Schrenk & Extravanganza's Save The Robots (check out Abstractlogix for this difficult to find but IMHO essential album). Located in the wrong place on the PA Electrocution 250 is jazz rock ultra-shred at 250 bpm. 1. Conrad Schrenk: 777 (ex. Save The Robots) - 666 and 888 are other interesting compositions/arrangement by guitarist Schrenk. 3. Fire Merchants: Sybil (ex. Landlords Of Atlantis), Brand X side project(??) - example of what was called 'grunge jazz fusion' in the early 90's. 4. Niacin: Swing Swang Swung (ex. Deep) 5. Electrocution 250: Brainscrapper (ex. Electric Cartoon Music From Hell) 6. The Shining Path: My Turn To Lose (ex. No Other World) 7. Ohm: Searching For The Suicide King (ex. Ohm) - what do you expect with Chris Poland ex Megadeth as lead? 8. Black Light Syndrome: Dark Corners (ex. BLS) - aka Bozzio Levin & Stevens 9. David Fiuczynski: Shafta (ex. Black Cherry Acid Lab). Probably the most interesting of the younger American guitarist around. Also check out his band Scream Headless Torsos. 10. Alkemy: Underwater (ex. Da 63 Project) 11. Gambale, Hamm, Smith: Bad Intent (ex. Show Me What You Can Do) - Stu Hamm better known for collaborations with Vai and Satriani, flexing his fusion muscles in excellent company 12. Shaun Baxter: Make It Reel (ex. Metal Jazz) 13. Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts: What Once Was (ex. Heavy Was A Sweater) 14. Network: Looking Into Space (ex. LNC). Cobham drum technician (etc.) Steve Clarke's Network with a strange hybrid of jazz fusion and Scandanavian death metal - and Jan Hammer apparently playing keys! Examples for the curious on Thursday nights radio show. . ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:18
If you're talkin'bout X - There's SONG X by Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman, VERY hard hitting. Also John Zorn's SPY vs. SPY! |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 09:25
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I second Ohm, masterliness material right there. ------------- sig |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:58
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Liquid tension experiment 1 & 2
Bozzio-Levin-Stevens "Black Light Syndrome" & "Situation Dangerous"
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Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 17:07
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I just want to state, as fact, that Conrad Schrenk Extravaganza is amazing.
Thanks everybody for posting! 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 18:29
THe man said the answer ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 19:02
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Soft Machine - Bundles Nucleus - We'll Talk About it Later Quiet Sun - Mainstream And I second checking out Embryo ('Steig Aus' and 'Father, Son, and Holy Ghost' are both great). ------------- 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 19:05
Quiet Sun - Mainstream  Amazing album and very rocky for jazz rock/fusion. -------------   
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 06:25
Live Evil is much heavier than Bitches Brew but some tracks go on a bit... ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 08:41
Definitely second-the-motion on Bozzio-Levin-Stevens, esp. BLS. Also, second 'Romantic Warrior' by RTF - very awesome 'heavy' fusion material for you there.... |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 08:50
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I know nothing about fusion, but if you want to expand into jazz-rock and canterbury then try and check out Moving Gelatine Plates.. the jazz is certainly present but they are psychedelic hard rock just as often. Their first two releases are on CDs as remasters.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 10:32
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Just discovered Garaj Mahal (word came from Danbo) - most inyerface main stream jazz rock band I've heard for some time. Try their Live albums Volume 1 and 2
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 19:19
| Michal Urbaniak jazz\fusion violinist. Very unique from most and has a little more edge than most. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 07:30
Michal Urbaniak's Urbanator, with two albums on the Hip Bop Records label released late 90's with some well known guests, is an interesting take on jazz funk/dance. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 12:10
I actually have not heard to much of his later (90s) material. I was talking more of his 70s stuff like his album "Fusion" which came out during the hieght of the fusion run around 1974. 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:17
I guessed you were........................ Urbanator and Urbanator 2 are worth checking out to hear where he's got to now. BTW RTF's Lenny White has recorded for the same label through the 90's - Edge is most excellent. Makes me wonder why White has got together with Larry Coryell and Victor Bailey to produce a couple of lacklustre jazz fusion albums most recently. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:21
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Try the Terje Rypdal albums with the Chasers (Blue, Chaser, etc)
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Posted By: IVNORD
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 16:41
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There's an interesting fussion band from Buffalo, NY named Gamalon. They have two lead guitars, one is a female guitarist. I'm not really familiar with their stuff, just saw a few clips with their live performance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-668501113595937334&q=gamalon&hl=en |