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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.
 
I'd be interested in the answer to that as well.
 
I just answered that question!!!Confused



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

I think what I find most interesting is the timing of all of this, right before Thanksgiving so fewer people see it.

Strange how everything is run.
 
Thanksgiving is onle in the USA mate, the rest of the world doesn't have it, so no the timing isn';t suspicious.Wink


Um...Canada has it OuchLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:11
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Cheesecakemouse,you are obviously aware of this thread...so why the other one?

Other deleted...wrong location & subject repetition.

No more seperate Zep threads please....
 
Yes I know, I only found out about this one after I posted the other one.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

I think what I find most interesting is the timing of all of this, right before Thanksgiving so fewer people see it.

Strange how everything is run.
 
Thanksgiving is onle in the USA mate, the rest of the world doesn't have it, so no the timing isn';t suspicious.Wink


Um...Canada has it OuchLOL
 
OK Canada and the USA, only 2 countries out of over 100.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12
I don't really think they should be here, but it's the owner's choice, so I support it.
 
But just one question:
 
What genre of rock music didn't Led Zeppelin influence?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:13
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I don't really think they should be here, but it's the owner's choice, so I support it.
 
But just one question:
 
What genre of rock music didn't Led Zeppelin influence?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:16
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Cheesecakemouse,you are obviously aware of this thread...so why the other one? Other deleted...wrong location & subject repetition. No more seperate Zep threads please....

 

Yes I know, I only found out about this one after I posted the other one.

    
Bad mouse.....what happened to the hysterical over-reaction such a message usually provokes?


To everyone posting in this thread:

please be objective and less predictable....

...let's see some real explanantions as to why you dont think Zep should be here.Offering an opinion against the addition that merely says "this is bad" or " what next?" is not really constructive or useful....though I understand you need to release your frustrations somehow....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:20
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I don't really think they should be here, but it's the owner's choice, so I support it.
 

But just one question:

 

What genre of rock music didn't Led Zeppelin influence?


Indeed but some are more obvious....
      
More bands than genres really,although it doesnt take a leap of imagination to decide that they probably influenced Prog-Metal. Given that Dream Theater are the top prog-Metal band and their number one influence is early Rush [unrefutable proof here: http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=656 from the mouth of a certain Mr Petrucci) and early-Rush was heavily influenced by Led Zep then what else can one deduce?
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:24
I'll breaki it down what I think a bit (on memory alone, so I may be a bit messed on some albums I'm not too familiar with):
 
 
I : A few songs that are a bit proggy, but overall, this is a bluesy rock n roll album.
 
II : Even fewer prog aspects. I don't listen to it much, but I suppose this is where the influence Rush might have gathered is most prominent. A bit less blues, a bit more hard rock.
 
III : I can't remember much prog-relevent music here, just half good English folk tunes and half good rock tunes.
 
IV: Here we go. The progginess kicks in, but I would go so far as to call it any sort of prog album. "Four Sticks," "Stairway to Heaven."
 
Houses of the Holy : Slightly less prog aspects than IV, and a bit poppier in my mind.
 
Physical Graffiti : Oh yeah, lotsa prog here ("In the Light" and "Kashmir" come to mind first), but an equal amount of just plain good rock.
 
I'm even less familiar with Presence, though I understand it has several long songs ("Achillies Last Stand" is rather proggy) and I've got nothing for or against In through the Out Door.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:25
I've posted "In The Light" on the player...if that doesnt convince the nay-sayers then we need to hand out hearing aids....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:26
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Cheesecakemouse,you are obviously aware of this thread...so why the other one? Other deleted...wrong location & subject repetition. No more seperate Zep threads please....

 

Yes I know, I only found out about this one after I posted the other one.

    
Bad mouse.....what happened to the hysterical over-reaction such a message usually provokes?


 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:29
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I'll breaki it down what I think a bit (on memory alone, so I may be a bit messed on some albums I'm not too familiar with):
 
 
 
 
Houses of the Holy : Slightly less prog aspects than IV, and a bit poppier in my mind.
 
 
 
Thats funny, I often considered HOH as their most proggyStar



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:30
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.
 
Rush for starters.
I also think Genesis, eg the stairway to heavan bit in Supper's Ready, also the pauses in a lot of Genesis songs eg Get em out by Friday, is very similar to the pauses in Led Zep songs.
The fantasy themes in their songs eg Ramble On.
 
I'm not convinced. The first Rush album wasn't prog at all in itself. Yes, they took a lot from LZ, but I think they're actually the only classic prog band to actually draw heavy influence from early hard rock acts. They're a singular example. The other you propose are pretty vague - fantasy themes are literature-inspired and they have been used in all genres of contemporary music; Genesis were in a totally different world. I stand by my point.  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of conscious separation between the " educated" prog purists of the time (seventies) on the one hand and the "rest" (the hard rock audience, those who preferred a more "visceral", hard-rocking approach to music - like Led Zeppelin - than listen to the extravagant prog titans playing their pompous 23 minute epics) on the other? Thirty years later, LZ are suddenly considered a massive influence on prog artists... that's quite a long distance traveled, isn't it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:31
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I'll breaki it down what I think a bit (on memory alone, so I may be a bit messed on some albums I'm not too familiar with):
 
 
 
 
Houses of the Holy : Slightly less prog aspects than IV, and a bit poppier in my mind.
 
 
 
Thats funny, I often considered HOH as their most proggyStar
 
Don't go on my memory, then. The only song I can remember now is Dancing Days. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:35
Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.
 
Rush for starters.
I also think Genesis, eg the stairway to heavan bit in Supper's Ready, also the pauses in a lot of Genesis songs eg Get em out by Friday, is very similar to the pauses in Led Zep songs.
The fantasy themes in their songs eg Ramble On.
 
I'm not convinced. The first Rush album wasn't prog at all in itself. Yes, they took a lot from LZ, but I think they're actually the only classic prog band to actually draw heavy influence from early hard rock acts. They're a singular example. The other you propose are pretty vague - fantasy themes are literature-inspired and they have been used in all genres of contemporary music; Genesis were in a totally different world. I stand by my point.  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of conscious separation between the " educated" prog purists of the time (seventies) on the one hand and the "rest" (the hard rock audience, those who preferred a more "visceral", hard-rocking approach to music - like Led Zeppelin - than listen to the extravagant prog titans playing their pompous 23 minute epics) on the other? Thirty years later, LZ are suddenly considered a massive influence on prog artists... that's quite a long distance traveled, isn't it?
 
I don't know if you can be black and white about audiences or categorise them in taht way, sure a lot of Zep's audience were non prog fans, but they also attracted prog fans as well. In 1970s NZ where I am from, a lot of people in the small towns thought Led Zep as weird and didn'thave the time of day for them, and they were treated with the same contempt as Yes, King Crimson and Genesis etc. A lot of prog fans in  70s NZ were also Zep fans. I guess it depends where you are from, but definately prog related where I am from.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:43
I love LZ but I don't need them on here.  I'm am going to crawl up into a ball, suck my thumb and cry like a rosy-cheeked sorority girl in prison as soon as I read the first review where some "Almost Famous" wannabe extols the virtues of Stairway To Heaven.

But I am certainly not going to beef with the powers that be and the decision they made.  I come here to learn about the undiscovered but I suppose there is a small percentage of people that have yet to discover Led Zeppelin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:45
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.
 
Rush for starters.
I also think Genesis, eg the stairway to heavan bit in Supper's Ready, also the pauses in a lot of Genesis songs eg Get em out by Friday, is very similar to the pauses in Led Zep songs.
The fantasy themes in their songs eg Ramble On.
 
I'm not convinced. The first Rush album wasn't prog at all in itself. Yes, they took a lot from LZ, but I think they're actually the only classic prog band to actually draw heavy influence from early hard rock acts. They're a singular example. The other you propose are pretty vague - fantasy themes are literature-inspired and they have been used in all genres of contemporary music; Genesis were in a totally different world. I stand by my point.  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of conscious separation between the " educated" prog purists of the time (seventies) on the one hand and the "rest" (the hard rock audience, those who preferred a more "visceral", hard-rocking approach to music - like Led Zeppelin - than listen to the extravagant prog titans playing their pompous 23 minute epics) on the other? Thirty years later, LZ are suddenly considered a massive influence on prog artists... that's quite a long distance traveled, isn't it?
 
I don't know if you can be black and white about audiences or categorise them in taht way, sure a lot of Zep's audience were non prog fans, but they also attracted prog fans as well. In 1970s NZ where I am from, a lot of people in the small towns thought Led Zep as weird and didn'thave the time of day for them, and they were treated with the same contempt as Yes, King Crimson and Genesis etc. A lot of prog fans in  70s NZ were also Zep fans. I guess it depends where you are from, but definately prog related where I am from.
 
Here, here Mouse - Led Zeppelin were not too well received until "Stairway" hit the airwaves - then the group became popular with a broader rock music audience. I am pleased to see them acknowledged on PA. I think they have a wide influence not just on prog bands but on rock music in general. Their musical influence is similar to the Beatles I think - not really specific but enough to make them legendary to many rock bands and musicians to this daySmile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:47

Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

"Almost Famous" wannabe

I love that movie!LOL

Led Zeppelin are amazing. They deserve all the praise they get and they were just as interesting as many prog acts. So just live it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:48
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

"Almost Famous" wannabe

I love that movie!LOL

Led Zeppelin are amazing. They deserve all the praise they get and they were just as interesting as many prog acts. So just live it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:11
I like the inclusion of Led Zeppelin due to their influence... I think PA should keep an inclusive attitude towards great bands that have influenced prog rock bands.

Possibly The Who (for popularizing concept albums), The Doors (proto-prog), and Jimi Hendrix Experience (though not as much as the other two) for future consideration???
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