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NotAProghead
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 15:30 |
I think yes, to the Progressive electronic section.
Unlike many other musicians working with electronics his music is heartfelt and, as far as I can tell, very Japanese in nature.
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 15:49 |
I say no.
Kitaro is a very eloquent artist, very minimal and very concentric around every edge. his main characteristic is ambient, fixated upon the electronique technique (though there is no real resemblance of classic maneuvers and accurate such styled frames) and some new age. his music is the tranquil speech, monologue somehow, abundently serene.
with the word of ambient dominating completely, I don't believe he fit entirely the spectre of electronic and of any modality as such. let's don't mix ideas with Brian Eno, who has strong tangents with the electronic mode. Kitaro is ambient tranquillizers, made upon a form of chamber ambience and of background.
moreover, Kitaro is no such thing as a progressive music composer, alluder (sp?), or with strong intentions. his addition in PE would be a meer surface viewpoint, his addition in prog would find many pointless attributes. perhaps tradition. perhaps the spirit of doing a constant application. but nothing more.
my vote is towards no.
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 15:50 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Prog related?
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New Age Related IMO
Iván |
No such genre here.
Do you propose that New Age <> Prog in any circumstances? Even prog related? F.ex. JADE WARRIOR has done new age oriented recordings like "Breathing The Storm". |
 No Eetu, this is my attempt of sense of humour:
- New Age is not remotely Prog omg, do I smell Wakeman getting kicked out?!
 
- Kitaro is no even New Age, just plain boring music releated to this Genre created to relax stressed Yuppies.
- Ergo, Kitaro shouldn't even be mentioned here.
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 to everything said.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 18:06 |
Ricochet wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Prog related?
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New Age Related IMO
Iván |
No such genre here.
Do you propose that New Age <> Prog in any circumstances? Even prog related? F.ex. JADE WARRIOR has done new age oriented recordings like "Breathing The Storm". |
 No Eetu, this is my attempt of sense of humour:
- New Age is not remotely Prog omg, do I smell Wakeman getting kicked out?!
 
- Kitaro is no even New Age, just plain boring music releated to this Genre created to relax stressed Yuppies.
- Ergo, Kitaro shouldn't even be mentioned here.
Iván |
to everything said.
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Rick Wakeman released:
- Six Wives of Henry the VIII
- Journey to the Centre of the Earth
- Myths & Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table
- No Eartly Connection
- Criminal Record
- 1984
- Softsword (King John and the Magna Carta)
- Black Knights at the Court of King Ferdinand IV
- Stella Bianca alla corte de Re Ferdinando
- Return to the Centre of the Earth
- 5 or 6 great DVD
- Co-author of the best Yes Albums
- At least 20 excellent live albums
Few artists dream on releasing this number of first class releases, some artoists are included because they released a partially Prog album, we're talking about 10 excellent albums and at least 20 Live ones plus several DVD's and his work in Yes.
Kitaro only released boring music for technocrat Yuppies who liked POP but wanted to look intelligent and Prog was too much for them, who's next, Yanni?
Kitaro has not where to start with Rick Wakeman, mnot a single trascendental album in all his life.
Iván
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 22:12 |
He's a new age musician, and while some of his music verges on PE, I still say no.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 03:03 |
Ricochet wrote:
to everything said.
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So also to what I said!
Well, "Boring" is quite subjective characterization. I'm not a fan of KITARO, but I don't loathe him. I think he's quite similar artists as JARRE, prog related being quite good place for both.
As you use RICK WAKEMAN for comparing, for me his music is quite boring too. (  )
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - October 18 2006 at 03:09
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 07:11 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Prog related?
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New Age Related IMO
Iván |
No such genre here.
Do you propose that New Age <> Prog in any circumstances? Even prog related? F.ex. JADE WARRIOR has done new age oriented recordings like "Breathing The Storm". |
 No Eetu, this is my attempt of sense of humour:
- New Age is not remotely Prog omg, do I smell Wakeman getting kicked out?!
 
- Kitaro is no even New Age, just plain boring music releated to this Genre created to relax stressed Yuppies.
- Ergo, Kitaro shouldn't even be mentioned here.
Iván |
to everything said.
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Rick Wakeman released:
- Six Wives of Henry the VIII
- Journey to the Centre of the Earth
- Myths & Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table
- No Eartly Connection
- Criminal Record
- 1984
- Softsword (King John and the Magna Carta)
- Black Knights at the Court of King Ferdinand IV
- Stella Bianca alla corte de Re Ferdinando
- Return to the Centre of the Earth
- 5 or 6 great DVD
- Co-author of the best Yes Albums
- At least 20 excellent live albums
Few artists dream on releasing this number of first class releases, some artoists are included because they released a partially Prog album, we're talking about 10 excellent albums and at least 20 Live ones plus several DVD's and his work in Yes.
Kitaro only released boring music for technocrat Yuppies who liked POP but wanted to look intelligent and Prog was too much for them, who's next, Yanni?
Kitaro has not where to start with Rick Wakeman, mnot a single trascendental album in all his life.
Iván
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functionally, yes. but he did released about 20 years of boring, plastic, occassionally, just occasionally succesful New Age/Disco/Ambient stuff.
I'm not implying anything, regarding Wakeman. just your phrase "New Age isn't prog" is very debatable. and Wakeman is a notorious name, coming in mind, regarding the New Age brand, no?
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 07:12 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
to everything said.
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So also to what I said!
Well, "Boring" is quite subjective characterization. I'm not a fan of KITARO, but I don't loathe him. I think he's quite similar artists as JARRE, prog related being quite good place for both.
As you use RICK WAKEMAN for comparing, for me his music is quite boring too. (  ) |
well no, mainly to what Melgar said.  
I've argued why prog related isn't proper either; Jarre as Jarre, but Kitaro has no connection with prog. we can't have them all! (or can we......?  )
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 07:15 |
Ricochet wrote:
I've argued why prog related isn't proper either; Jarre as Jarre, but Kitaro has no connection with prog. we can't have them all! (or can we......? ) |
Well, some people here seem to think he has realtions with prog. 
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 07:18 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
I've argued why prog related isn't proper either; Jarre as Jarre, but Kitaro has no connection with prog. we can't have them all! (or can we......? ) |
Well, some people here seem to think he has realtions with prog.  |
mainly, I see opinions regarding the touch of electronic technique being an electronic motivation.
anyway, I don't. 
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NutterAlert
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 10:19 |
You've gotta hand it to Rico, he's the man. (what's he going on about?)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 12:32 |
Ricochet wrote:
functionally, yes. but he did released about 20 years of boring, plastic, occassionally, just occasionally succesful New Age/Disco/Ambient stuff.
I'm not implying anything, regarding Wakeman. just your phrase "New Age isn't prog" is very debatable. and Wakeman is a notorious name, coming in mind, regarding the New Age brand, no? |
Wakeman New Age albums are not¨Prog, that's not the reason why he is here.
Rick is here for releasing more Prog albums than lets say 80% off the Prog artists, he0s categorized here in Symphonic for that reason as Genesis is here for their Prog and not for their POP albums.
Iván
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andu
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 12:38 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Kitaro is no even New Age, just plain boring music releated to this Genre created to relax stressed Yuppies. |
attempt succesfull 
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Posted: October 18 2006 at 13:29 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
functionally, yes. but he did released about 20 years of boring, plastic, occassionally, just occasionally succesful New Age/Disco/Ambient stuff.
I'm not implying anything, regarding Wakeman. just your phrase "New Age isn't prog" is very debatable. and Wakeman is a notorious name, coming in mind, regarding the New Age brand, no? |
Wakeman New Age albums are not¨Prog, that's not the reason why he is here.
Rick is here for releasing more Prog albums than lets say 80% off the Prog artists, he0s categorized here in Symphonic for that reason as Genesis is here for their Prog and not for their POP albums.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 05:29 |
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Anyway, I don't.  |
You should get yourself as "Progressive Electronic" specialist team leader, then your opinion about the subject would mean more. 
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:41 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Anyway, I don't.  |
You should get yourself as "Progressive Electronic" specialist team leader, then your opinion about the subject would mean more.  |
is a label the only thing that counts.  not enough experience to be an Electronic specialist. and hell no to being leader.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:00 |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 02:22 |
Ricochet wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Anyway, I don't.  |
You should get yourself as "Progressive Electronic" specialist team leader, then your opinion about the subject would mean more.  |
is a label the only thing that counts. 
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Not the only thing, but if you want to overrule the majority, it would help.
Ricochet wrote:
not enough experience to be an Electronic specialist. and hell no to being leader. 
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At least I think you are quite experienced and you have a strong % rational view when reading your reviews of TD and Schulze. I understand that being a leader is not maybe fun, but if a such team would be formed, I think you could be a good team member!
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - October 20 2006 at 02:22
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 02:24 |
I think yes,after all kitaro was a keyboardist of Far East Family Band.
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 12:44 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Anyway, I don't.  |
You should get yourself as "Progressive Electronic" specialist team leader, then your opinion about the subject would mean more.  |
is a label the only thing that counts. 
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Not the only thing, but if you want to overrule the majority, it would help.
oh yeah!!!  
Ricochet wrote:
not enough experience to be an Electronic specialist. and hell no to being leader. 
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At least I think you are quite experienced and you have a strong % rational view when reading your reviews of TD and Schulze. I understand that being a leader is not maybe fun, but if a such team would be formed, I think you could be a good team member! |
well, thank you for the opinion, but I think that just knowing Tangerine, Schulze, Froese, Froese, Vangelis, Eno and (by the hatrid side) Kraftwerk means only that I am an electronic (optimistic) lover. like I said in my bio. the fact that every other names in the electronic genre is one empty for me frightenes me and makes me be modest. It's not about fun, it's about a "label" that means dexterity through a wide and open-minded documentation. but hey, if an Electronic Team finally gets out of future tense and I, by my merits, get nominated as a member of it, guess there's another majority over which I can't pass. 
anyway, back to the subject, enough reflection on me being specialist (though I'm surprised NutterAlert hasn't showed up till now to make his usual "Rico's da man" statement ). 
so...I don't. (starting it over again). 
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