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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:16 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I don't see how anyone could say they aren't. The best way to decide, for me at least, if a band is progressive, is to listen to their discography and see what you think. There's a very obvious jump in musicalisty and technical ability from their 1st album (Call of the Mastodon) to their 2nd (Remission,) and an even larger leap from Remission to Leviathan. And if what I've heard is correct, Blood Mountian looks to be another leap from that. So I don't see how they aren't in th archives as of yet. |
Call of the Mastodon is a compilation of old b-sides, demos and the Lifesblood EP. Technically it's not their first album, but rather it would be Lifesblood. Just for future reference.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 15:56 |
Yeah, I forgot about the whole Lifesblood EP thing.
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SolariS
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:53 |
If you argue 'no', then tell me another band that they are a clone of...
I think that they are a very original and unique band. While you may not enjoy their music, you should at least admit that they are doing something that nobody else in metal is doing. Is that not progress on the sound of metal?
Yes, you can argue about their 20-minute songs, concept albums and sheer complexity, but the fact is this. Mastodon is it's own band, trying to write music that is truly something new. IMO, that's the point of progressive rock....or at least the meaning of the word 'progressive'.
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fezman
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 00:27 |
Just got Blood Mountain and making notes
Edited by fezman - September 20 2006 at 16:40
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Can't think of anything cool at the moment ...
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Bryan
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 02:59 |
I'm sort of coming around to the idea of including Mastodon... if Jody agrees you guys may very well get your wish.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 07:51 |
Mastodon is now officially cleared and approved for inclusion by the Prog Metal Team.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:07 |
I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer.
How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:15 |
Rocktopus wrote:
I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer. How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off.
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Mastodon has been debated by our team for almost a year.
The Incredible String Band are not in my genre of specialty,so you have to take that issue up with the respective team.
And there are "endless metal inclusions" because the Prog Metal Team is ONE of the most active genre specialist teams here.Please don't give us a hard time for being hard-working and productive.
Edited by TheProgtologist - September 11 2006 at 13:00
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:41 |
You're working too hard, and being far too active for my tastes. Ha-ha.
I know its not your job to include ISB (or not), but this unbalance is still annoying. I think that far too much Prog-metal is being added. You explaining it by your team of specialists is extremly active, doesn't exactly help.
So if we only had a more active prog-related team, the site would have an invasion of bands in the Queen, ELO, Wishbone Ash etc.. vein?
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 11:51 |
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 12:59 |
Rocktopus wrote:
I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer.
How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off.
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Why are the intrests of Prog Folk more important than those of Prog Metal? If you want ISB added, I suggest you go heckle the proper genre team about it.
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 14:22 |
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Why are the intrests of Prog Folk more important than those of Prog Metal? If you want ISB added, I suggest you go heckle the proper genre team about it.
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1. I never said that (I feel its the other way around, with your big, hard working metalteam) 2. I have. (It was just an example.) All that said, I do think an influential progfolkband of the late sixties, is much more improtant than yet another added so-called prog-metal band. I own both Leviathan and Blood Mountain. I know they're conceptalbums, but Mastodon is still thrash/death metal.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 14:34 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Mastodon is still thrash/death metal.
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Well ... not really.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:21 |
I think it is for everyone not part (or have been) of a prog-metal team, Mike.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:28 |
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:35 |
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:48 |
Rocktopus, Jody is right. It is not his fault neither his team members' if the PMT is more active than other teams in the actual inclusion of bands. Prog-Metal may not be my subgenre of choice (I actually prefer classic metal, but I'm trying to get to know at least some of the bands, and I've heard some really interesting things), but no one can deny the dedication that these guys are putting into their work on behalf of this site.
As to Prog-Folk, at the moment the team is a one-man operation - Sean Trane (Hugues) has been left alone to work, and he very probably has other priorities at the moment. This thread is not the right place to complain about the addition of ISB having not happened yet. It is certainly not the fault of the PM team, whose action is endorsed by the owners of the site.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 19:08 |
I used it as an example, Ghost Rider. I wasn't trying to blame them. But I was trying to say that I disagree on Mastodon's inclusion, based on owning their albums and having listened to the music.
The fact that the prog metal team is the hardest working team with the most members does not make me happy, because it means a lot of metal bands will wrongly get included (imo). So I'm defenatly not denying their dedication. Far from it.
I give up. I won't to bother complain about any inclusion ever again.
Edited by Rocktopus - September 11 2006 at 19:13
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SolariS
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:01 |
Rocktopus wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
Why are the intrests of Prog Folk more important than those of Prog Metal? If you want ISB added, I suggest you go heckle the proper genre team about it.
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1. I never said that (I feel its the other way around, with your big, hard working metalteam) 2. I have. (It was just an example.)
All that said, I do think an influential progfolkband of the late sixties, is much more improtant than yet another added so-called prog-metal band. I own both Leviathan and Blood Mountain. I know they're conceptalbums, but Mastodon is still thrash/death metal.
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WTF. How did you get a copy of Blood Mountain already. I live in Atlanta...where the band is from. I pre-ordered weeks ago and it just got mailed today. UNFAIR! ...and by the way. Yes, Mastodon plays thrash/death metal, but so does Opeth. It's the fact that they play it in a way that nobody else in thrash/death metal plays it that makes them progressive.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:05 |
You can listen to their new album in it's entirety on Mastodon's MySpace page.
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