Mastodon Progressive?
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Topic: Mastodon Progressive?
Posted By: lightbulb_son
Subject: Mastodon Progressive?
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 17:08
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Ok. I've asked this question before, but I really think Mastodon deserve a spot in the archives.
Prog credits =
1. Concept album (Leviathan revolved around Herman Melville's classic Moby Dick)
2. Great musicianship (Guitarists Hines and Kelliher are both amazing. Drummer Brann Dailor is one of the tightest drummers in the metal scene IMO.)
3. Diverse influences (Hines inserts a lot of country guitar into Mastodon's riffs. Kelliher is also a huge punk fan.)
Ok now if you don't think that these guys are progressive please go out and give Leviathan a spin. ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 17:14
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 17:49
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I'm still torn on the issue, but here's more evidence for your prog arguments: 4. New album "Blood Mountain" is also a concept album 5. Drummer Brann Dailor has cited Phil Collins as a major influence on his drumming and the band members are all big fans of classic prog rock. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: fezman
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 19:49
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I've just been listening to tracks off their new recording and was about to head on the 'Mastodon are prog' crusade. The guitar work (and vocals) in Capillarian Crest are certainly outside the basic metal genre.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 23:27
Change 0 letters. Add 0 words. -------------  
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King of Loss wrote:Posted By: Minimalist777
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 23:57
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Yup, two concept albums they have a song or two over 10 minutes. They have some odd time signatures and weird rythems. Diverse influences, and most importantly they have a unique sound that is innovative. ------------- WWOSD? What Would OliverStoned Do? |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 06:20
| I saw them support Slayer in Vegas a in 2004, they were decent, but about as much prog as Slayer are. I love slayer, but they are NOT prog. If doing a concept album is all it takes then Iron Maiden should have been in the archives from day one. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 12:52
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Leviathan and Blood Mountain are concept albums. Their drummer plays way more intricate stuff than average metal drummers. etc. etc.
Mastodon is a progressive band.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 16:05
| I think after Blood Mountain comes out, the team will be in favor of their addition. I've only heard the two songs on their site, but man, they were darn good, Capilarian Crest especially. |
Posted By: Supertwister
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 16:19
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No, I just think they're an alright metal band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/palepoli/?chartstyle=minimalDark - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/minimalDark/artists/palepoli.gif - |
Posted By: Matt Dickens
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 23:41
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Yes, did anyone happen to catch their comments about Dream Theatre in their interview in the newest Guitar World? I was laughing my ass off, they completely made a laughing stock out of them but then went on to praise several other prog bands such as Rush. ------------- If it ain't broke don't break it. |
Posted By: PorcupineKing
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 14:28
What did they say about DT? I think they qualify for the fact they use odd time signatures and non-formal song structures. |
Posted By: Walri
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 21:54
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I've said it in two other threads: Leviathan was borderline at least, and Blood Mountain places them squarely under prog. They just aren't "traditional" prog metal. (And they're sure as hell as prog as many other "prog metal" bands here.)
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 22:54
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I'm not arguing their progness, I just can't stand 'em. It sounds like a bunch of noise
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Posted By: Dalkaen
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 00:25
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Yeah, I think they're pretty progressive. They definitely approach their music that way. One of Brann Dailor's favorite albums is The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 20:30
Oh, man. I almost died reading. Here, I'll write it out, because I'm very bored.
GW Let me posit something: You guys definitely have prog elements to your sound, and yet you're exciting and valid--you're cool. Why do you think you're cooler than a band like, say, Dream Theater?
HINDS Because we don't have a little Chinese girl playing bass! [laughs]
GW Yikes!
HINDS And they dress all gay, too. I mean, look at them: they wear those cheesy leather pants. The lead singer especially: he's got that really gay thing going on with his hair. Plus, he sings like a f***ing opera singer and s***. Their hair, their clothes, their music... They're gay.
GW Now, wait a second. Are you calling Dream Theater a Brokeback band? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
HINDS No, I don't mean "gay" like that. I just mean...gay. [laughs]
And there you have it.
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Posted By: Jochem
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 13:35
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I think Mastodon are a prog band, songs like Tribolite on Remission, Hearts Alive on Levithian and Sleeping Giant and Pedolous Skin on their latest album are very much prog songs. Also they have concept albums and even concepts with their 3 albums together. Remission is the Fire album, Levithian water and Blood Mountain Stone.
Also they have solos and extended solo-sections, weird time-signatures, jazzy drumming and more progthings.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 03:10
| ^Is Pendulous Skin a 22-minute song, or is it shorter with a bonus bit at the end? |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:44
| I don't see how anyone could say they aren't. The best way to decide, for me at least, if a band is progressive, is to listen to their discography and see what you think. There's a very obvious jump in musicalisty and technical ability from their 1st album (Call of the Mastodon) to their 2nd (Remission,) and an even larger leap from Remission to Leviathan. And if what I've heard is correct, Blood Mountian looks to be another leap from that. So I don't see how they aren't in th archives as of yet. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:49
That's sludge metal, dude! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:16
Call of the Mastodon is a compilation of old b-sides, demos and the Lifesblood EP. Technically it's not their first album, but rather it would be Lifesblood. Just for future reference.
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 15:56
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Yeah, I forgot about the whole Lifesblood EP thing. |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:53
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If you argue 'no', then tell me another band that they are a clone of... I think that they are a very original and unique band. While you may not enjoy their music, you should at least admit that they are doing something that nobody else in metal is doing. Is that not progress on the sound of metal? Yes, you can argue about their 20-minute songs, concept albums and sheer complexity, but the fact is this. Mastodon is it's own band, trying to write music that is truly something new. IMO, that's the point of progressive rock....or at least the meaning of the word 'progressive'. -------------  
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Posted By: fezman
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 00:27
Just got Blood Mountain and making notes 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 02:59
| I'm sort of coming around to the idea of including Mastodon... if Jody agrees you guys may very well get your wish. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 07:51
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Mastodon is now officially cleared and approved for inclusion by the Prog Metal Team. -------------  |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:07
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I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer. How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:15
Mastodon has been debated by our team for almost a year. The Incredible String Band are not in my genre of specialty,so you have to take that issue up with the respective team. And there are "endless metal inclusions" because the Prog Metal Team is ONE of the most active genre specialist teams here.Please don't give us a hard time for being hard-working and productive. ------------- |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:41
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You're working too hard, and being far too active for my tastes. Ha-ha. I know its not your job to include ISB (or not), but this unbalance is still annoying. I think that far too much Prog-metal is being added. You explaining it by your team of specialists is extremly active, doesn't exactly help. So if we only had a more active prog-related team, the site would have an invasion of bands in the Queen, ELO, Wishbone Ash etc.. vein? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 11:51
Thanks,nice to know all this hard work is appreciated.  ------------- |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 12:59
Why are the intrests of Prog Folk more important than those of Prog Metal? If you want ISB added, I suggest you go heckle the proper genre team about it. -------------
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 14:22
1. I never said that (I feel its the other way around, with your big, hard working metalteam) 2. I have. (It was just an example.) All that said, I do think an influential progfolkband of the late sixties, is much more improtant than yet another added so-called prog-metal band. I own both Leviathan and Blood Mountain. I know they're conceptalbums, but Mastodon is still thrash/death metal. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 14:34
Well ... not really. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:21
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I think it is for everyone not part (or have been) of a prog-metal team, Mike.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:28
Your welcome! Actually I think you and the whole team been working so hard you all deserve a looong vacation.  ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:35
No vacations for me,actually,with cold weather coming,PMT activities will step up. ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:48
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Rocktopus, Jody is right. It is not his fault neither his team members' if the PMT is more active than other teams in the actual inclusion of bands. Prog-Metal may not be my subgenre of choice (I actually prefer classic metal, but I'm trying to get to know at least some of the bands, and I've heard some really interesting things), but no one can deny the dedication that these guys are putting into their work on behalf of this site. As to Prog-Folk, at the moment the team is a one-man operation - Sean Trane (Hugues) has been left alone to work, and he very probably has other priorities at the moment. This thread is not the right place to complain about the addition of ISB having not happened yet. It is certainly not the fault of the PM team, whose action is endorsed by the owners of the site. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 19:08
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I used it as an example, Ghost Rider. I wasn't trying to blame them. But I was trying to say that I disagree on Mastodon's inclusion, based on owning their albums and having listened to the music. The fact that the prog metal team is the hardest working team with the most members does not make me happy, because it means a lot of metal bands will wrongly get included (imo). So I'm defenatly not denying their dedication. Far from it. I give up. I won't to bother complain about any inclusion ever again. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:01
WTF. How did you get a copy of Blood Mountain already. I live in Atlanta...where the band is from. I pre-ordered weeks ago and it just got mailed today. UNFAIR! ...and by the way. Yes, Mastodon plays thrash/death metal, but so does Opeth. It's the fact that they play it in a way that nobody else in thrash/death metal plays it that makes them progressive. -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:05
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You can listen to their new album in it's entirety on Mastodon's MySpace page. ------------- |
Posted By: fezman
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:11
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I've seen the "Is Mastodon prog?" thread here before but that was before the release of their latest offering 'Blood Mountain'. If the scope and style of this release doesn't get them on the
progarchives then nothing will. If Death can get a mention then I
don't see how Mastodon 'doesn't' fit into the prog metal scene. The
songs are certainly not on the long side (most over 4min with the last
track at 20min but only because it has about 15min of silence) but the fusion of differnt metal styles and general
experimentation of the release qualify it for sure. (IMHO) This is
also at least their 3rd themed release.
Even if you don't agree get into their new one as it is awesome!Go to their myspace for a full listen to the new CD. I know I started my own 'Blood Mountain' crusade and to make up for that I'll be throwing all my weight(not a lot actually) behind this tread ------------- Can't think of anything cool at the moment ... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:16
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Leviathan is. Superb album! ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:19
Have you read through this thread??? Look at the 2nd page. I don't mean to give you a hard time,but you are just posting the same stock response in every thread relating to Mastodon. ------------- |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 21:20
I have. Several times! -------------
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Posted By: fezman
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 23:21
No hard time taken. I mucked up and started a new thread (in the wrong spot) with the same info I've now posted on this thread. Basically I just really wanted to focus on the release of 'Blood Mountain' and what it is about their latest offering that could (or should) be described as progressive. Other than this topic I don't think I've posted on any others but I did respond a little while back to the poll in general. (Before getting to hear any of their new release) The official release date is tomorrow I think?
Sorry Progtologist if I've been keeping you busy or boring you with some repetition. Thanks for the great service you, and all administrators provide.  ------------- Can't think of anything cool at the moment ... |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 23:59
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I'm not really a metal fan, but I do see a lot of activity in it. This could be the most active genre in prog right now. It's no wonder the guys are so busy, and adding new bands. I am also sure they don't take the task lightly.
It's hard to tell what goes on behind the scenes, in regard to content around here. Check the number of artists, and it might give you an idea. This is why there are teams, instead of individuals. Kudos my PM chums.  ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 12 2006 at 17:24
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As soon as you all listen to Blood Mountain, I'm sure you'll be convinced. Mastodon deserves a spot here. |
Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: October 01 2006 at 10:21
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Yes they've finally been cleared, but does anyone know when they'll be up on the site? I've been crusading for their addition since I joined last spring, and I'm very glad to see the prog-metal team has decided to add them.
I can't wait until they're up here, I've got some reviews to do
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