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NutterAlert
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:14 |
Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.
Edited by NutterAlert - August 17 2006 at 12:19
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Melomaniac
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:20 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
DallasBryan wrote:
I remember Lennon talking about how he never did acid.
anyway if you ever listened to the Lamb on acid or after a few experiences you would know the answer, but I guess thats why they call it hidden knowledge.
not recommending it, but millions already know the truth. |
Hahah yes
Why disenfranchise your fans when you can drop subtle hints in the music instead?
RUSH comes to mind. 2112, Cygnus X-1, and The Fountain of Lamneth have COUNTLESS references to LSD/marijuana.
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And what did YOU take to find such non existing references in these songs???
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Tony R
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:27 |
Only A Passage To Bangkok has overt references. One song...but it certainly compensates...
Our first stop is in Bogota
To check Colombian fields
The natives smile and pass along
A sample of their yield
Sweet Jamaican pipe dreams
Golden Acapulco nights
Then Morocco, and the East,
Fly by morning light
We're on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We'll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best
Wreathed in smoke in Lebanon
We burn the midnight oil
The fragrance of Afghanistan
Rewards a long day's toil
Pulling into Katmandu
Smoke rings fill the air
Perfumed by a Nepal night
The Express gets you there
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:38 |
NutterAlert wrote:
Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar. |
Not alone, he's in good company:
Musicians
Ludwig van Beethoven, composer Alohe Jean Burke, musician, vocalist Rosemary Clooney, singer DMX Earl Simmons, rapper and actor Ray Davies Lenny Dee Gaetano Donizetti, opera singer Peter Gabriel Jimi Hendrix Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses) Phyllis Hyman Jack Irons Daniel Johnston Otto Klemperer, musician, conductor Oscar Levant, pianist, composer, television Phil Ochs, musician, political activist, poet John Ogden, composer, musician Jaco Pastorius Charley Pride Mac Rebennack (Dr. John) Jeannie C. Riley Alys Robi, vocalist in Canada Axl Rose Nick Traina Del Shannon Phil Spector, musician and producer Sting, Gordon Sumner, musician, composer Tom Waits, musician, composer Brian Wilson, musician, composer, arranger Townes Van Zandt, musician, composer
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 17:03 |
^ I'd hesistate to call Axl Rose good company.
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Kleynan
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 22:30 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
NutterAlert wrote:
Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar. |
Not alone, he's in good company:
Musicians
Ludwig van Beethoven, composer Alohe Jean Burke, musician, vocalist Rosemary Clooney, singer DMX Earl Simmons, rapper and actor Ray Davies Lenny Dee Gaetano Donizetti, opera singer Peter Gabriel Jimi Hendrix Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses) Phyllis Hyman Jack Irons Daniel Johnston Otto Klemperer, musician, conductor Oscar Levant, pianist, composer, television Phil Ochs, musician, political activist, poet John Ogden, composer, musician Jaco Pastorius Charley Pride Mac Rebennack (Dr. John) Jeannie C. Riley Alys Robi, vocalist in Canada Axl Rose Nick Traina Del Shannon Phil Spector, musician and producer Sting, Gordon Sumner, musician, composer Tom Waits, musician, composer Brian Wilson, musician, composer, arranger Townes Van Zandt, musician, composer
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Jeff Buckley was also bi-polar. (At least it states so on wikpedia)
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You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 11:09 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
NutterAlert wrote:
Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar. |
Not alone, he's in good company:
Musicians
Ludwig van Beethoven, composer Alohe Jean Burke, musician, vocalist Rosemary Clooney, singer DMX Earl Simmons, rapper and actor Ray Davies Lenny Dee Gaetano Donizetti, opera singer Peter Gabriel Jimi Hendrix Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses) Phyllis Hyman Jack Irons Daniel Johnston Otto Klemperer, musician, conductor Oscar Levant, pianist, composer, television Phil Ochs, musician, political activist, poet John Ogden, composer, musician Jaco Pastorius Charley Pride Mac Rebennack (Dr. John) Jeannie C. Riley Alys Robi, vocalist in Canada Axl Rose Nick Traina Del Shannon Phil Spector, musician and producer Sting, Gordon Sumner, musician, composer Tom Waits, musician, composer Brian Wilson, musician, composer, arranger Townes Van Zandt, musician, composer
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and have any of these not had major drug or alcohol issues previous to their diagnosis?
my 1st wife was diagnosed as bi-polar after she used drugs and alcohol after our divorce. previously she never used drugs or alcohol and had no issues, that I could see outside of the fact everbody has issues. her public imagine and physical appearance is not of a drinker or drugger, to avoid contraversy she denies her past use publicly. so, you cant prove anything and I cant either(no matter what anyone sez), but if I think something I will say it from my viewpoint and experience. any true practitioner of dark or hidden things will deny association until a compremise is reached. even an alcoholic, which is fairly socially accepted will deny use to cover up behaviors. mostly progressive music was created as a vent for psychedelic, narcotic use in the 70's as well as selling non conventional intellectual idealogy as well as sexuality and spirituality. psychedelics was always the door opener to the thought processes. anyway I dont need another line by line bi-polar analysis of my thoughts or notions, I just have an alternative viewpoint and some agree some disagree, I think historically you shouldnt dismiss different viewpoints because an artist chooses to make there lifestyle private. do you know anyone that admits to selling there soul to the devil and has all the trappings of a real deal? do you know anyone that admits to serious cult activities? but do they not exist in the places you would least expect?
today anyone can go to a psyche and complain about issues and or suggest am I bi-polar, the answer 90% of the time is YES, then they can sell you medicine and more office visits. Not that some(10-20%) have disorders. The artists on the above list are just guesses too! Bi-polar was not even a diagnosis years ago and somebody with mental problems goes and sees that someone had this and someone had that and now the world is bi-polar. this is not worth a debate and I cease to continue. if someone has a viewpoint, start an alternate thread!
dont kid yourself back when this music was made, NO ONE that wasnt doing acid, smoking dope and experimenting with the rest, from lifestyles to philosophy would even listen to progressive rock. NONE!
their minds had no interest.
Edited by DallasBryan - August 19 2006 at 12:08
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 12:47 |
DallasBryan wrote:
and have any of these not had major drug or alcohol issues previous to their diagnosis?
my 1st wife was diagnosed as bi-polar after she used drugs and alcohol after our divorce. previously she never used drugs or alcohol and had no issues, that I could see outside of the fact everbody has issues. her public imagine and physical appearance is not of a drinker or drugger, to avoid contraversy she denies her past use publicly. so, you cant prove anything and I cant either(no matter what anyone sez), but if I think something I will say it from my viewpoint and experience. any true practitioner of dark or hidden things will deny association until a compremise is reached. even an alcoholic, which is fairly socially accepted will deny use to cover up behaviors. mostly progressive music was created as a vent for psychedelic, narcotic use in the 70's as well as selling non conventional intellectual idealogy as well as sexuality and spirituality. psychedelics was always the door opener to the thought processes. anyway I dont need another line by line bi-polar analysis of my thoughts or notions, I just have an alternative viewpoint and some agree some disagree, I think historically you shouldnt dismiss different viewpoints because an artist chooses to make there lifestyle private. do you know anyone that admits to selling there soul to the devil and has all the trappings of a real deal? do you know anyone that admits to serious cult activities? but do they not exist in the places you would least expect?
today anyone can go to a psyche and complain about issues and or suggest am I bi-polar, the answer 90% of the time is YES, then they can sell you medicine and more office visits. Not that some(10-20%) have disorders. The artists on the above list are just guesses too! Bi-polar was not even a diagnosis years ago and somebody with mental problems goes and sees that someone had this and someone had that and now the world is bi-polar. this is not worth a debate and I cease to continue. if someone has a viewpoint, start an alternate thread!
dont kid yourself back when this music was made, NO ONE that wasnt doing acid, smoking dope and experimenting with the rest, from lifestyles to philosophy would even listen to progressive rock. NONE!
their minds had no interest. |
It's hard to discuss with a person that gives absolutely no argument except his own unique experience says that no person who wasn't in acid and dope listened or wrote Prog' music.
I personally know a lot of people slighty older than me who played and compósed in famous Peruvian Prog bands and I lnopw that as members of the Sodalitium Christiane Vitae, have never smoked even cigarettes, and I know them.
So we must assume you are right, your diagnose is correct, Peter Gabriel used drugs because you say so, and we must also believe:
- Peter Gabriel lies
- Phil Collins lies
- Steve Hackett lies
- Tony Banks lies
- Peter Hammill lies
- All Van der Graff Generator lie
- Jill his ex wife lies
- The session musician who blew a whistle on Steve Winwood and said Peter Gabriel neer smokes dope while good Steve W was always high with him alñso lies
- The whole bunch of people who know Peter Gabriel lie
- But you without ever talking with Peter Gabriel, making a test of drugs use, having a Psychology degree, have discovered the truth
The big question is WHY IN HELL?????
What does this people gain or loose if Peter Gabriel ever smoked weed. used LSD or heroin???
They all lie, the above list is just guessing (All the people have confirmed that have bipolar disorder except Beethoven and those who had died, which BTW can be medicated since the late 60's) but you without even having a Psychology degree, having ever made a test of drugs use to Peter Gabriel, never having questioned his friends, bandmates and rivals and without ever talked with Peter Gabriel say they all lie and that he was a drug addict because you know how people was.
Please Dallas Bryan, you can't sincerely believe what you say.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 19 2006 at 13:14
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acheron
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 13:54 |
Frank Zappa, and Ted Nugent, and Gene Simmons are the only people from the 70's that claim to have never taken drugs
i believe Zappa and the Nuge. but i dont know about simmons
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 14:15 |
I believe some musicians never used drugs but probably avoided the subject as it seemed un-RnR lifestyle to journalist.
And Zappa got high on 21%O2 + 79%N2. Look what it did too him.
And Nugent was brain-dead by the time ha was born, but had his brain removed as he started his solo career.
I refuse to believe the Amboy Dukes psych masterpiece Journey To The Center Of Your Mind was not drug-enduced. And if Ted isto prove me the opposite than he is a total fake for having written such a track. (not sure he's the one who wrote it)
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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DallasBryan
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:29 |
everyone will have a different opionion, thats fine! i dont need to defend mine. Yes, Zappa, Nugent and Gabriel all used psychedelics. for how long only god knows. No, I dont believe today's athlete is clean, I believe they are all basically dirty sometime in their career, I know to much to think different. I have been behind the scenes in the music industry and the sports industry.
just locally, you probably would have a problem believing say Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia formed a group of Muslim investors and use Jerry Jones as a frontman or so-called owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry owned a failing oil company in Arkansas or Oklahoma and started sending oil drilling equipment to Saudi prince's back in the 80's. these are to people that paid my family 1 million dollars for the field at Texas Stadium years ago, and the last company that installed the latest field and the one that is going into the new stadium in Arlington, TX. believe as you wish and I think you should, I will not continue to respond so lets continue on another subject or kill the thread, both sides feel justified, not a problem for me, I will not make references to Zappa, Gabriel and Ian Andersons past, again!
harmony
Edited by DallasBryan - August 19 2006 at 20:51
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 23:29 |
NutterAlert wrote:
Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar. |
"Digging in the Dirt" is about his therapy.
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