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Topic: 70's drug free artists???
Posted: August 19 2006 at 23:29

NutterAlert wrote:

Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.

"Digging in the Dirt" is about his therapy.

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Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:29

everyone will have a different opionion, thats fine! i dont need to defend mine. Yes, Zappa, Nugent and Gabriel all used psychedelics. for how long only god knows. No, I dont believe today's athlete is clean, I believe they are all basically dirty sometime in their career, I know to much to think different. I have been behind the scenes in the music industry and the sports industry.

just locally, you probably would have a problem believing say Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia formed a group of Muslim investors and use Jerry Jones as a frontman or so-called owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry owned a failing oil company in Arkansas or Oklahoma and started sending oil drilling equipment to Saudi prince's back in the 80's. these are to people that paid my family 1 million dollars for the field at Texas Stadium years ago, and the last company that installed the latest field and the one that is going into the new stadium in Arlington, TX. believe as you wish and I think you should, I will not continue to respond so lets continue on another subject or kill the thread, both sides feel justified, not a problem for me, I will not make references to Zappa, Gabriel and Ian Andersons past, again!

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Edited by DallasBryan - August 19 2006 at 20:51

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Posted: August 19 2006 at 14:15

I believe some musicians never used drugs but probably avoided the subject as it seemed un-RnR lifestyle to journalist.

And Zappa got high on 21%O2 + 79%N2. Look what it did too him.

And Nugent was brain-dead by the time ha was born, but had his brain removed as he started his solo career.

I refuse to believe the Amboy Dukes psych masterpiece Journey To The Center Of Your Mind was not drug-enduced. And if Ted isto prove me the opposite than he is a total fake for having written such a track. (not sure he's the one who wrote it)

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: August 19 2006 at 13:54

Frank Zappa, and Ted Nugent, and Gene Simmons are the only people from the 70's that claim to have never taken drugs

i believe Zappa and the Nuge. but i dont know about simmons

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Posted: August 19 2006 at 12:47

DallasBryan wrote:

and have any of these not had major drug or alcohol issues previous to their diagnosis?

my 1st wife was diagnosed as bi-polar after she used drugs and alcohol after our divorce. previously she never used drugs or alcohol and had no issues, that I could see outside of the fact everbody has issues. her public imagine and physical appearance is not of a drinker or drugger, to avoid contraversy she denies her past use publicly. so, you cant prove anything and I cant either(no matter what anyone sez), but if I think something I will say it from my viewpoint and experience. any true practitioner of dark or hidden things will deny association until a compremise is reached. even an alcoholic, which is fairly socially accepted will deny use to cover up behaviors. mostly progressive music was created as a vent for psychedelic, narcotic use in the 70's as well as selling non conventional intellectual idealogy as well as sexuality and spirituality. psychedelics was always the door opener to the thought processes. anyway I dont need another line by line bi-polar analysis of my thoughts or notions, I just have an alternative viewpoint and some agree some disagree, I think historically you shouldnt dismiss different viewpoints because an artist chooses to make there lifestyle private. do you know anyone that admits to selling there soul to the devil and has all the trappings of a real deal? do you know anyone that admits to serious cult activities? but do they not exist in the places you would least expect?

today anyone can go to a psyche and complain about issues and or suggest am I bi-polar, the answer 90% of the time is YES, then they can sell you medicine and more office visits. Not that some(10-20%) have disorders. The artists on the above list are just guesses too! Bi-polar was not even a diagnosis years ago and somebody with mental problems goes and sees that someone had this and someone had that and now the world is bi-polar. this is not worth a debate and I cease to continue. if someone has a viewpoint, start an alternate thread!

dont kid yourself back when this music was made, NO ONE that wasnt doing acid, smoking dope and experimenting with the rest, from lifestyles to philosophy would even listen to progressive rock. NONE!

their minds had no interest.

It's hard to discuss with a person that gives absolutely no argument except his own unique experience says that no person who wasn't in acid and dope listened or wrote Prog' music.

I personally know a lot of people slighty older than me who played and compósed in famous Peruvian Prog bands and I lnopw that as members of the Sodalitium Christiane Vitae, have never smoked even cigarettes, and I know them.

So we must assume you are right, your diagnose is correct, Peter Gabriel used drugs because you say so, and we must also believe:

Peter Gabriel lies
Phil Collins lies
Steve Hackett lies
Tony Banks lies
Peter Hammill lies
All Van der Graff Generator lie
Jill his ex wife lies
The session musician who blew a whistle on Steve Winwood and said Peter Gabriel neer smokes dope while good Steve W was always high with him alñso lies
The whole bunch of people who know Peter Gabriel lie
But you without ever talking with Peter Gabriel, making a test of drugs use, having a Psychology degree, have discovered the truth

The big question is WHY IN HELL?????

What does this people gain or loose if Peter Gabriel ever smoked weed. used LSD or heroin???

They all lie, the above list is just guessing (All the people have confirmed that have bipolar disorder except Beethoven and those who had died, which BTW can be medicated since the late 60's) but you without even having a Psychology degree, having ever made a test of drugs use to Peter Gabriel, never having questioned his friends, bandmates and rivals and without ever talked with Peter Gabriel say they all lie and that he was a drug addict because you know how people was.

Please Dallas Bryan, you can't sincerely believe what you say.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 19 2006 at 13:14

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Posted: August 19 2006 at 11:09

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

NutterAlert wrote:

Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.

Not alone, he's in good company:

Musicians

Ludwig van Beethoven, composer
Alohe Jean Burke, musician, vocalist
Rosemary Clooney, singer
DMX Earl Simmons, rapper and actor
Ray Davies
Lenny Dee
Gaetano Donizetti, opera singer
Peter Gabriel
Jimi Hendrix
Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses)
Phyllis Hyman
Jack Irons
Daniel Johnston
Otto Klemperer, musician, conductor
Oscar Levant, pianist, composer, television
Phil Ochs, musician, political activist, poet
John Ogden, composer, musician
Jaco Pastorius
Charley Pride
Mac Rebennack (Dr. John)
Jeannie C. Riley
Alys Robi, vocalist in Canada
Axl Rose
Nick Traina
Del Shannon
Phil Spector, musician and producer
Sting, Gordon Sumner, musician, composer
Tom Waits, musician, composer
Brian Wilson, musician, composer, arranger
Townes Van Zandt, musician, composer

http://www.mental-health-today.com/bp/famous_people.htm

Iván

and have any of these not had major drug or alcohol issues previous to their diagnosis?

dont kid yourself back when this music was made, NO ONE that wasnt doing acid, smoking dope and experimenting with the rest, from lifestyles to philosophy would even listen to progressive rock. NONE!

their minds had no interest.

Edited by DallasBryan - August 19 2006 at 12:08

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 22:30

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

NutterAlert wrote:

Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.

Not alone, he's in good company:

Musicians

http://www.mental-health-today.com/bp/famous_people.htm

Iván

Jeff Buckley was also bi-polar. (At least it states so on wikpedia)

You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 17:03

^ I'd hesistate to call Axl Rose good company.

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:38

NutterAlert wrote:

Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.

Not alone, he's in good company:

Musicians

http://www.mental-health-today.com/bp/famous_people.htm

Iván

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:27

Only A Passage To Bangkok has overt references. One song...but it certainly compensates...

Our first stop is in Bogota
To check Colombian fields
The natives smile and pass along
A sample of their yield
Sweet Jamaican pipe dreams
Golden Acapulco nights
Then Morocco, and the East,
Fly by morning light

We're on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We'll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best

Wreathed in smoke in Lebanon
We burn the midnight oil
The fragrance of Afghanistan
Rewards a long day's toil
Pulling into Katmandu
Smoke rings fill the air
Perfumed by a Nepal night
The Express gets you there

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:20

DeepPhreeze wrote:

DallasBryan wrote:

I remember Lennon talking about how he never did acid.

anyway if you ever listened to the Lamb on acid or after a few experiences you would know the answer, but I guess thats why they call it hidden knowledge.

not recommending it, but millions already know the truth.

Hahah yes

Why disenfranchise your fans when you can drop subtle hints in the music instead?

RUSH comes to mind. 2112, Cygnus X-1, and The Fountain of Lamneth have COUNTLESS references to LSD/marijuana.

And what did YOU take to find such non existing references in these songs???

"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio

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Posted: August 17 2006 at 12:14

Interesting...I never knew Peter Gabriel was bi-polar.

Edited by NutterAlert - August 17 2006 at 12:19

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Posted: August 16 2006 at 21:08

Yes admitted to smoking lots of dope in the Mojo prog special.

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Posted: August 16 2006 at 21:02

    I thought back in the '70s that Yes was pretty much drug-free except for Wakeman.

    The way it sounded, the rest of Yes were non-drinking, non-smoking vegetarians while Wakeman was a beer-drinking carnivore.

    That was supposed to be the reason he was in and out of the band so many times. I don't know, just what was going around back then.

    And I'm speaking as a beer-drinking carnivore.

Bring me my broadsword, and clear understanding.

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Posted: August 16 2006 at 14:00

DallasBryan wrote:

I remember Lennon talking about how he never did acid.

anyway if you ever listened to the Lamb on acid or after a few experiences you would know the answer, but I guess thats why they call it hidden knowledge.

not recommending it, but millions already know the truth.

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Posted: August 15 2006 at 15:21

Apparently Ted Nugent has always been a drug free artist- he claimed he didn't realise the drug connotations of songs like 'Journey To The Centre Of The Mind' and the fried 'Why Is A Carrot More Orange Than An Orange'(!) whilst playing them in The Amboy Dukes.

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Posted: August 15 2006 at 14:27

DallasBryan wrote:

I remember Lennon talking about how he never did acid.

I know your theory about Gabriel being a liar, but lets remember just one thing, Lennon and Gabriel are two different persons, the behaviour of Lennon outside the stage was completely different to Gabriel's behaviour, the guy is respected and considered a genttleman.

If you read the memories of The Turtles you'll find that Lennon was always a jerk outside the stage and don't use the excuse of the age because Peter started in school at the age of 16 or 17.

You may believe Gabriel l9ied, but why in hell did Steve Hackett, Phil Collins (Who publicly smoked dope) and the whole VDGG had to lie, why a musician in Peter Gabriel's band (Can't remember his name) said he liked to hang out with Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood, and he got high with Steve but Peter didn'¿t even got close tro the drugs.

Is this a conspiracy to canonize Peter Gabriel? Don't you believe there's a chance all that people is saying the truth and you are wrong?

anyway if you ever listened to the Lamb on acid or after a few experiences you would know the answer, but I guess thats why they call it hidden knowledge.

Peter once said that he was tempted to use acid to enhance his mind but he was just to scared to try it, why does a man who doesn't loose a thing has to lie?

BTW: Your whole argument is an analysis of the lyrics of The Lamb (Not even a proffesional shrink could do this accurately), have you ever considered that The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is based in a book called The Trial by Franz Kafka?

The images are similar, the hallucinations are clearly inspired in Kafka, a guy who can write lyrics about anything (History, bothanics, Sci Fi, Mythology, Violence, Wars, Politics, Paedophilia, Religion, etc) can write about whatever he wants?

The guy is bipolar, he has been working with Institutions to help bipolar people, I talked with a shrink (A real one) about this and he told me that the effects of acid in bipolar persons would be devastating, he even said that probably Syd Barrett was bipolar and the use of drugs turned a simple bipolar case (That can be treated) into a severe case of Schizophrenia.

not recommending it, but millions already know the truth.

Well some people can learn many things that most of us are not capable exploiting their own demons and Gabriel had real hard ones, remember he wrote Supper's Ready inspired in an experience with his wife's face he thought that she was possesed

Walking across the sitting-room, I turn the television off.
Sitting beside you, I look into your eyes.
As the sound of motor cars fades in the night time,
I swear I saw your face change, it didn't seem quite right.

A guy who has this imagination (enhanced by by his disorder) doesn't need drugs.

Iván

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Posted: August 15 2006 at 12:22

I remember Lennon talking about how he never did acid.

anyway if you ever listened to the Lamb on acid or after a few experiences you would know the answer, but I guess thats why they call it hidden knowledge.

not recommending it, but millions already know the truth.

Edited by DallasBryan - August 15 2006 at 12:22

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Posted: August 15 2006 at 11:35

I cam't believe that Ian has been drug-free all these years. Hehe.

You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.

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Posted: August 15 2006 at 04:15

oliverstoned wrote:

Zappa was drug free but not his musicians!

same for Jethro Tull

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword