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 Posted: August 12 2006 at 23:16 |
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Just I few days ago I bought Present's Triskaidekaphobie / Le Poison Qui Rend Fou. Love it. Anyone else have it?
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 23:38 |
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I do, Root Pepper!
I prefer those two albums to Univers Zero's debut 1313 which I bought at the same time. Both albums are great! Thoroughly recommended. I think I'll be getting some of their other albums too, in the future. |
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chamberry
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 23:41 |
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I have Triskaidekaphobie and I can't say I love it, but I find it to be a very good album. I was actually suspecting something more darker since I've heard that Present is a dark band and that they're darker than UZ. Guess I hit the wrong button. The music is top notch and I like the songs, but I still prefer Heresei over it. Maybe Le poison qui rend fou would be darker?
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chamberry
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 23:43 |
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Wow. This may be the first time I didn't agreed with Geck0 on an album
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vogre
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 03:48 |
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The really dark present starts on 'No.6'. Triskaidekaphobie and Le Poison Qui Rend Fou are dark, so it could be the sound of the recording caausing the music sound light(i.e. not heavy).
A chamber rock album I discovered today - Chamber Works by Terry Bozzio. It's quality stuff, which reminds alot of Univers Zero. He's playing with the Metropole Orkest, as did Mike Keneally on Universe Will Provide, though the music is very different. It is also quite unexpected considering that he always played in jazz rock grups.
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markj
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:54 |
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Sure. The first several NWW albums (NWW is one primarily Stephen Stapleton, & various friends on different albums) are rather noisy constructions - "Chance Meeting...", "Merzbild Schwet", "To the Quiet Men..." - with connections, however difficult to see, to many of the albums on that NWW list. Not the best place to start, IMO. The "constructions" rely on studio manipulation, found recordings, any number of sound and noises. The next batch of albums refined this approach, adding more rhythmic structures while still retaining the ideas of the earlier albums. There's some very interesting stuff in there - "Sylvie and Babs" would be my recommendation here. The tenor of the records changes in the next batch of releases - the overall oddity is abundant, the construction of the albums is seamless, while the tenor changes to a very dark experimental sort of "ambient/avant garde". Of these, "Spiral Insania" is a highlight, and probably an accessible entry point, and for me one of the best NWW albums. "Soliliquy for Lilith" is also an album that's recommended as an introduction, though I find it too "monotone" to hold my interest for the two disks - it sounds a lot like a recording of foghorns. This group of albums is quite surreal, and well worth looking into (check allmusic.com for the discography) - culminating in the incredibly dark and impressive "Thunder Perfect Mind". The next batch get back into a more "song structure" approach - "Rock and Roll Station" is quite a departure from the album that proceeded it, but is an easy way in. I'm not familiar enough with the last several albums to recommend any. Mark |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 16:15 |
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Well I don't have Heresie yet, so my opinion may change! The first two Present albums are good, maybe not that dark, but I still prefer them both over Univers Zero's debut. However, maybe UZ's debut 1313 may grow on me, so don't give up my opinion yet!  |
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eugene
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 17:25 |
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I love this album by Bozzio - the strongest work of him so far IMO!!!
Or maybe "strongest" is not a right word - I'd say I prefer this direction in his musical career over any of his jazzy works.
Edited by eugene - August 13 2006 at 17:26 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 17:28 |
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Hi Mark (and welcome to the forum) Thank you for the such detailed reply, it was much help. NNW have so many albums it is really hard to know where to start, so I will be taking all this new information down to my local CD store in the future. Also it is nice to see another person liking the more absured side of music 
Do you like some of the other early English experimental groups? like Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV, Black Flag.. etc |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 17:36 |
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You must get Heresie it is well worth the listen to. I still need to get myself into action and get more of their albums, but this will happen with due time. In regards to Present I really don't think they are overly dark; we are talking in regards to other RIO/Zeuhl band. I even find some of their lyrics are quite humours. Then again I'm not sure if they are supposed to be, it could just be my mind  I'm interested in checking the beginning of their career out, all the albums I have come from their later day existance. So it would be interesting to see where they have evolved from.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 19:55 |
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The first two don't have vocals (except for one track which has some woman singing on it in French I think).
They're very enjoyable for me. As they are the only two I've heard and as I have yet to really hear any Zeuhl, I cannot comment as to how dark it is. I'd be interested in hearing their later albums (as well UZ's of course). Edited by Geck0 - August 13 2006 at 19:56 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 06:19 |
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This recommendation is for all those Mr Bungle fans on the site!
It is 2006 and the French band Sebkha Chott grace us with their debt album Nagah Mahdi
Review taken from gnosis2000.net
"New French collective that revels in the art of deception. Or art of confusion. The band are as mysterious as the music they create. Without a doubt, Sebkha-Chott spent many hours with their Mike Patton and Mr. Bungle CDs tucked comfortably in their respective stereos. Secret Chiefs 3 and Estradasphere could also be called out as guideposts. These guideposts are the equivalent of finding small, out of the way places, in twisted medieval cities. So just what are we talking about here? A 48 track album, that really works as one long rollercoaster ride of sounds, styles and instrumentation. However, that is not to say it’s just a random gathering of non-linear music. Actually it flows quite well, with heavy metal clearly operating as the glue that holds it all together. Imagine a bullet train racing through the cities, while slower commuter trains drop folks to their suburban homes. Chug-a-chug metal, followed by French folk, then they thrash away, off to the disco, death metal time, Middle Eastern dance pop, power metal, how about a little jazz? Nothing stays too long in one place, but rest assure as soon as the listener becomes complacent, they’ll bludgeon you with another dose of metal to keep you awake. Also Sebkha-Chott brings some of their native country’s popular sounds to the fore to add yet one more unique dimension. Only towards the end of the disc does the album start to drag a bit, as the idea factory seems to be closed up for the next session. Music like this is an adventure. It’s as progressive as it can get, yet it’s not prog rock in any traditional sense. The Italians dabbled in these areas in the early 1970s, but not quite as diverse. I would argue that cohesiveness worked in the Italians favor. Too much of a good thing is a good thing, but can be destructive. Recommended for those who like to go all the way on the extra spicy salsas and blue agave tequilas, and then know when to say when. Prepare to get whiplash and line up your chiropractor. You’re going places with this one."
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avestin
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:44 |
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Since I got ill yesterday night and was all night feeling awful I stayed "home" today and I decided to look for similar bands to DAAU.
I went into their homepage www.daau.com and looked in Links and found several bands that are either friends of them (Ez3kiel) or sound alike (Traktor etc) and got several samples and full songs from the list in there. Not direct sound alike but in the same spirit of chamber rock, slightly RIOish and with some of them sounding like kleyzmer... They are not necessarily prog but I reckon, if you like DAAU and anything in this style, you'll probably like this as well.
Ez3kiel - http://www.ez3kiel.com/
Donkey Diesel - http://www.donkeydiesel.be/
Traktor - http://www.traktorband.be/ (a but like Kruzenshtern & Parohod)
One Louder - http://www.onelouder.tk/ (noisy, heavy band, more suitable for people into hardcore and noisy experimental stuff).
Butsenzeller - http://www.geocities.com/bootsie05/
Booboe - http://www.geocities.com/boeboo/
Bo Wiget - http://www.bowiget.com/
Dez Mona - http://www.dezmona.com/
Antwerp Gypsy-Ska Orkestra - http://www.agso.org/
There are more there and I am a tired right now, but go on in the links in DAAU site and look for yourselves.
Have fun, it's good music.
Sorry if I repeat something that was alreast posted in this thread before. I am not in my full shape right now. Edited by avestin - August 14 2006 at 11:52 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 17:51 |
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Assaf,
Thanks for sharing your discoveries with us. I have only made it through the first link (well not finished yet) but it has already made my day a little better. I think people might have noticed by now, but I am a huge fan of these complex flash sites  I could seriously spend hours on that Ez3kiel site. A dark room and headphones are recommended for maximum experience
I'm listening to a few of samples now (from the promo CD), very electronic and seems to be wandering off into the dub realms, but still retaining an overall chamber sound. I know they are totally different bands but it reminded me of a little less intense avant-garde drum and bass band Venetian Snares, very good! Will definately check out the rest of links, most likely tonight sometime. Also I hope you are feeling better now! |
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avestin
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:21 |
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Only a handful of those bands in the links have a similar sound to DAAU (like Traktor) but the spirit of experimentalism is there in all of them (with varying degrees of it, of course). I really enjoyed the Traktor songs so far. There is a kleyzmer side in their music that makes them a bit lighter sounding yet rich and enjoyable. A bit one dimensional, perhaps, but there is still room to develop.
I too need some more time to explore all the bands there, I stopped at the Antwerp Gypsy-Ska Orkestra which sounds like I expected. I won't tell you, so you can check for yourselves if their name matches their music.
Not out of it yet, Adam, but it'll pass
Have an experimental week, everyone.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:25 |
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I've just ordered OOIOO's Gold and Green, but not sure when it'll arrive, as I have to wait for some e-mail to sort my paypal out or something... wish I'd just used my debit card now, oh well.
The site also has 5 Boredoms albums, so if the order is successful, I may purchase some of their albums at a later date. UK based too, so that's good. Assaf, any more thoughts about adding them to the archives? Adam, do you know about the following? Tsurubami - Gekkyukekkaichi. CD, £12.00 
Madly improvised hallucinatory Japanese aaarg from combined members of
Acid Mothers Temple Soul Collective (possibly featuring members of
Circle, but who can tell?) Featuring most of its members, this is
allegedly 'a fire walking bliss of Fush*tsusha style psychedcelic
guitar meltdowns and exploratory propulsive free improvisation embodied
by the likes of Sonny Sharrock and William Hooker.' The most liberated
unit of the AMT tree, awe inspiring though the raw, organic display of
subconscious mind exposed. Or so they tell us.Acid Mothers Gong - Live In Nagoya. CD, £11.50 
A live collaboration between legendary psychedelic-space-rock band Gong
& the no less respectable Japanese Acid Mothers Temple. Daevid
Allen, Gilli Smyth, Josh Pollock, Kawabata Makoto, Higashi Hiroshi,
Tsuyama Atsushi, Yoshida Tatsuya. Together they go to make the ultimate
space rock aggregation- Acid Mothers Gong. Recorded at Nagoya TOKUZO on
9th April 2003. Essential.And if you don't have it already, you should get this: Merzbow - Sha Mo 3000. CD, £14.00 
2005 release from celebrated Japanese aaaarrg grind noise terrorist,
mixing manipulated sounds and static attacks with jarring guitar riffs
(a first for our man in the East) Still every bit as unpleasant as you
would want a Merzbow album to be- don't worry, there's little chance of
this dude or his collaborators 'going commercial' on you. Limited
edition of 900 copies.This product normally ships within 3-6 weeks Edited by Geck0 - August 14 2006 at 19:30 |
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avestin
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:31 |
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I was thinking that they should be in definitely.
The problem is I think this is an experimental band going sometimes with their sound to place not many others go to, hence it is avantgarde. But this is a bit of a stretch for me.
Now, Jimbo and I have been working on adding the Finnish band Circle. This band is special in that they can't really be pinpointed and experiment with their sound a lot over the years and their albums. Therefore, we thought of adding it under Experimental, but it is linked with Post-Rock here, and also we are not 100% sure it is their right place, but it is the nearest match.
So I was thinking maybe the same will be applicable for OOIOO.
Again, I am not sure, this is just a preliminary thought.
But then again, friends, this is taking this too seriously. Lets just add them to RIO/Avant and get this over with....
 What will happen? Someone will sue us? The band will write an angry email and say we have labeled them wrongly?
They get publication and that's important and they do share characteristics with the genre, only not in 100%. I can live with them in RIO/Avant, but also in Experimental.
Wow, this came out longer than it ought to....
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:34 |
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Is this the same Circle as mentioned on that Tsurabami album (see above), or a different one?
I have Tantaamus, I'll give it a listen sometime soon and let you know my thoughts about them. Edited by Geck0 - August 14 2006 at 19:40 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 20:51 |
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Tsurubami is a band which I have been meaning to check out (have heard several sound samples), mainly because of the ties to Acid Mothers Temple. I'm a little confused by the circle comments, from my knowledge the lineup is a follows:
Emi Nobuko (drums), Higashi Hiroshi (bass), Makoto Kawabata (guitar) I was advised by Anael (member of this site) that Gekkyukekkaichi is definately their album to get, I trust his views so I would say this one would be a safe bet if you like this sort of music. So a thumbs up for this one. If you don't like it you can always send it over to me
With the Acid Mothers Gong I'm not going to comment on this, as Acid Mother Temple and all their side projects are so numerous it really is hard to keep up with their output. But I would sample some of their works before driving head first into this sort of music. But they do put on one hell of a live show, so this could be quite remarkable. From the last time I recommended Merzbow I don't think I will do it again. From the albums I have there were some very negative feed back from this band. They are very noisy and sometimes pychically painful to listen to. If you are me this is fantastic, but for most it is far from a pleasent experience. Also if you like this band be sure to check out Mosanna. If you are looking to get into some noise music I would suggest a band called Black Dice, they travel more in the electronica scene but still have some structure to their music. Which Boredoms CD's where these? There are certain ones you shouldn't start with as some of the more expensive one are not worth it for people just starting out with the band. Albums like their Super Roots series are almost like demos filling in the gaps between their full blown effort, though some are really good. But the price tages are not good on the old credit card! Assaf I will have more of a flick through all those link and tell you my favourites, probably get around to it sometime tonight (so a little while from now). |
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Apsalar
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 21:21 |
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Ah, James, I see you have taken a very brave step tonight with a certain album
I would be interested to hear you thoughts. If you like this album be sure to check out their second album under the name KARUNA KHYAL (which can be found on this site, under experimental). If you thought Brast Burn was crazy this one gets even better 
Please share your thoughts, even if you are negative. |
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