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ProgRocker 
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 Posted: July 25 2004 at 21:29 |
I don't know if any of you have heard of this band, but Crack The Sky was very progressive in their early years. I'd say pretty much anything off their first 3 albums(and live album) is progressive, to some degree.
Now after that, that's a different story! Still good music, though.
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 05:59 |
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no one metioned bohemian rhapsody |
I don't, out of principle
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What do you mean?
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 05:59 |
asuma wrote:
nofx - the decline
come on, it's an 18 minute punk song. |
prog isn't only about length, you know
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 10:45 |
Joren wrote:
prog isn't only about length, you know |
 Joren, so off topic....
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 11:05 |
danbo wrote:
Joren wrote:
prog isn't only about length, you know |
Joren, so off topic.... |
Danbo, so predictable....
Someone mentioned 'Bohemian Rhapsody' earlier in the thread; I think 'The Prophet Song' from the same album is far more progressive (and tragically, far less heard)
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 18:40 |
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 18:42 |
Jimbo, why not...
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 04:37 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Someone mentioned 'Bohemian Rhapsody' earlier in the thread; I think 'The Prophet Song' from the same album is far more progressive (and tragically, far less heard) |
This is very true, and it should be mentioned that the transition from "the Prophet Song" to the next track, "Love of my Life" is so expertly done as to be seamless. Very impressive composition skills. As I've said before, Queen deserve an "honorary" place in progdom, if not a full blown club membership, which they may be too "style flexible" to hold in the eyes of some.
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 04:53 |
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I agree- I think of "Queen 2" as a classic hard prog album
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 15:32 |
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master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me
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You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon!
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 15:44 |
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
Even though I can't stand to listen to the band anymore, I agree...but I think "And Justice for All" is even more progressive, with increased song length and compositional development, tight meter changes and melodic soloing, neo-classical arrangements and narrative lyrics. It might even be called a concept album.
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 19:30 |
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
I don't think that's progressive
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 19:30 |
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The Cardiacs, anyone?
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Ik ken maar een paar nummers. (To go off and things is er een). Wat kun je me aanraden? (kan ook via PM)
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 22:21 |
Joren wrote:
asuma wrote:
nofx - the decline
come on, it's an 18 minute punk song. |
prog isn't only about length, you know
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The Decline also has numerous different sections and rapid changes in time signature and melody. Granted, it doesn't have terribly complex instrumentation, but there are without question very noticeable elements of prog.
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 22:23 |
James Lee wrote:
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
Even though I can't stand to listen to the band anymore, I agree...but I think "And Justice for All" is even more progressive, with increased song length and compositional development, tight meter changes and melodic soloing, neo-classical arrangements and narrative lyrics. It might even be called a concept album.
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Metallica's new stuff is horrible, but around the Master of Puppets era they were unquestionably flirting with prog. I've long considered ...And Justice For All a prog metal album, and Master of Puppets has some prog elements as well, especially on the instrumental "Orion".
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 08:21 |
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Come to think of it: When Newsted left Metallica, he joined prog metal group Voivod!
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 12:14 |
richardh wrote:
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
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That song is Radiohead's Ultimate Prog moment, and the video made the song more memorable. They Earned the "Art Rock" Category with this one. In the Other hand "Kid A" (the song) sounds kinda progish too.
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Minstrel X: Burning down the gallery
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 17:58 |
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Come to think of it: When Newsted left Metallica, he joined prog metal group Voivod! |
And Voivod released their most straightforward cd since 'the old days'.
At the time of 'Justice' , 'tallica was much inspired by WatchTower, inspiring them to compose longer, more complex songs.
I don't consider this 'prog', it was nothing new, nothing really jawdropping, just a Metalband trying to break away from formal metal structures with only some slight succes. If Metallica is 'prog' then so are Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost, Iron Maiden and so on.
Voivod, however, is/was PROGRESSIVE. They looked beyond the borders of that what's called metal and used these outsider elements to create new sounds.
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 18:54 |
AngelRat wrote:
Joren wrote:
Come to think of it: When Newsted left Metallica, he joined prog metal group Voivod! |
And Voivod released their most straightforward cd since 'the old days'.
At the time of 'Justice' , 'tallica was much inspired by WatchTower, inspiring them to compose longer, more complex songs.
I don't consider this 'prog', it was nothing new, nothing really jawdropping, just a Metalband trying to break away from formal metal structures with only some slight succes. If Metallica is 'prog' then so are Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost, Iron Maiden and so on.
Voivod, however, is/was PROGRESSIVE. They looked beyond the borders of that what's called metal and used these outsider elements to create new sounds.
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I have never heard Voivod, but Mercyful Fate (for me) is one of those bands, that's on the edge of prog. Great metal!
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 19:56 |
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Definitely check out "Nothingface" or "Angel Rat"...the same kind of chilly post-apocalyptic metal sound as "And Justice for All" but with more progressive tendencies. They do interesting covers of Pink Floyd's "Astronomy Domine" and "The Nile Song" too.
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