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    Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:18
Could anyone tell me which is the most dark, kind of evil satanic zeuhl album?, I really like the chanting style of MDK by Magma, and I don't know much about zeuhl so any tip on where to start would be helpful.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:32
Kohntarkosz by Magma, brilliant  especially Ork Alarm dark and excellent.
Univers Zero is Zeuhl related, try thier first cfew albums, great sinister and dark.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 22:06
Other than the few Magma Albums already suggested, I feel these have there place in Dark Zeuhl.

Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite

Another one worth checking out, if you can find it.

Archaia

They are a french band who only brought out one album in 1977. They have a very dark creep sound. The only problem is you might have a bit of trouble tracking this one down, it has become somewhat a collects item now.

here are some interesting reviews on there labels site.

alain.lebon4.free.fr/soleil/archaia-gb.html

If anybody know anymore information about this band I would be very interested.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 22:38
I second "Kohntarksz," a brilliant, dark album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 02:38
Guapo "Five Suns" & "Black Oni" are pretty good dark, instrumental zeuhlish stuff
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 06:03


Magma - Üdü Wüdü

Magma - Köhntarkösz

Weidorje - Weidorje
(but it's better to listen to "Üdü Wüdü" first - read my review if you want to know why Wink)

Shub-Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite

(samples can be found on the bands' ProgArchives bio pages)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 06:07
Originally posted by WillieThePimp WillieThePimp wrote:

Guapo "Five Suns" & "Black Oni" are pretty good dark, instrumental zeuhlish stuff


Yup, Guapo is very dark too, but indeed not really Zeuhl, although influenced by it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 10:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 13:01
These are all kind of on the fringes of zeuhl, but what comes to mind for me are:

Shub Niggurath - anything (Les Morts Vont Vite is the one to go for)
Yeti - Things to Come...
Guapo - Five Suns or Black Oni

I never really found Magma to be that dark.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 16:12
Thanks, everyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:07
Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vites seems to the popular choice, and a very good one too.
Nice to see Guapo mentioned here - Black Oni is the deeper and darker of the two albums by the current version.
Univers Zero have a strong Zeuhl connection, and both 1313 and the magnificent Heresie are dark masterpieces.
But for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top. It's a 70 minute group improvisation recorded in glorious mono just after they'd finished recording MDK at the Manor, and it's one of the darkest things I've heard in any genre. Not for the faint of heart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:00
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online. Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 21:06
Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:


Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online.
Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?


This is a little bit of information/review.

Here's a pretty fantastic discovery we just made (although the disc was released a few years ago). It's a seventy-minute long single track entitled "Neheh", the result of four members of French prog-weirdos Magma jamming together one night in '73. We thought this would sound like a scaled down Magma, or some sort of jazz improv session. But, instead, this neither. It's absolutely unlike the jackboot precision of Magma circa '73's "Mechanik Destructiw Kommandoh" (which was in fact recorded, like, the next day!). Although this does share the esoteric spiritual aspects of Magma, there's none of Magma's grandiose rock/jazz/Wagner fusion here. Rather, it's a late-night excursion into kosmiche avant-hippy freakout realms, starting with unearthly vocal chant/drone and moving into percussion spasms, clarinet eruptions, and organ improv. So, instead of mother-band Magma, this should be compared to Amon Duul, the Sun City Girls, the No Neck Blues Band, Yahowah 13, and (closer to home) Thuja. Beautiful and wild, totally inspired. It's strange that this went unreleased until the '90s-- maybe Vander and Co. didn't want to dilute the Magma concept with something so loose and organic and, uh, 'of the times'. Still, it's one of our absolute favorite Magma-related documents, and should even appeal to those scared off by Magma's prog/fusion chops. Recommended!! (By the way, along with this, we've restocked a bunch of Magma classics, and we definitely have 'em at the best price you'll probably find anywhere.)

from http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/v36.html where you are able to purchase the album, just look down the bottom of the page.

I'm also sure they would most likely stock it at Magma's record label, Seventh Records.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 23:22
I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:13
Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


I have read some rumours about Vander having Nazi sympathies, but I don't think it's true. The fact alone that he is a great fan of John Coltrane makes it very unlikely (Nazi's weren't very tolerant towards either Afro-American people and jazz).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:20
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


I have read some rumours about Vander having Nazi sympathies, but I don't think it's true. The fact alone that he is a great fan of John Coltrane makes it very unlikely (Nazi's weren't very tolerant towards either Afro-American people and jazz).
 
Also Vander has Gypsy ancestory, and happily expresses that in his music (the nazis slaughtered many gypsy's)



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 09:36
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:


Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite



Dark, heavy, slow Zeuhl Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2006 at 09:45
Probably the third SHUB NIGGURATH album (or fourth if you count the live cassette) "C'Etaient Des Tres Grand Vents". A very weird, minimalist and eerie album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:46
Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


Why? What is said?

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:


Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online.
Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?


This is a little bit of information/review...


Thanks for the links and help.

Anyone here like Yoshida Tatsuya's zeuhl work? He's in plenty of music ventures - most of which I would call zeuhl. Drummer/Singer/Composer who is obsessed with Magma - He plays in Ruins, Koenjihyakkei, others...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:55
Yes I am very much of a fan of his works, well the ones I have heard. I very much am quite impressed what the Japanese scene has to offer this genre. Other than owning a few Ruins albums. I have a album where he worked with another Japanese legend which maybe people have not heard of called Keniji Hanio. The album is called New Rap (The title has nothing to do with the music inside). This album contains from my opinion some of his best drumming I have heard.

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