Darkest Zeuhl Album
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Topic: Darkest Zeuhl Album
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Subject: Darkest Zeuhl Album
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:18
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Could anyone tell me which is the most dark, kind of evil satanic zeuhl album?, I really like the chanting style of MDK by Magma, and I don't know much about zeuhl so any tip on where to start would be helpful.
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:32
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Kohntarkosz by Magma, brilliant especially Ork Alarm dark and excellent.
Univers Zero is Zeuhl related, try thier first cfew albums, great sinister and dark. ------------- |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 22:06
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Other than the few Magma Albums already suggested, I feel these have there place in Dark Zeuhl.
Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite Another one worth checking out, if you can find it. Archaia They are a french band who only brought out one album in 1977. They have a very dark creep sound. The only problem is you might have a bit of trouble tracking this one down, it has become somewhat a collects item now. here are some interesting reviews on there labels site. http://alain.lebon4.free.fr/soleil/archaia-gb.html - alain.lebon4.free.fr/soleil/archaia-gb.html If anybody know anymore information about this band I would be very interested. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 22:38
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I second "Kohntarksz," a brilliant, dark album.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 02:38
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Guapo "Five Suns" & "Black Oni" are pretty good dark, instrumental zeuhlish stuff
------------- You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 06:03
 Magma - Üdü Wüdü Magma - Köhntarkösz Weidorje - Weidorje (but it's better to listen to "Üdü Wüdü" first - read my review if you want to know why  )Shub-Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite (samples can be found on the bands' ProgArchives bio pages) |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 06:07
Yup, Guapo is very dark too, but indeed not really Zeuhl, although influenced by it. |
WillieThePimp wrote:Posted By: Tychovski
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 10:27
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Posted By: progreviews
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 13:01
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These are all kind of on the fringes of zeuhl, but what comes to mind for me are:
Shub Niggurath - anything (Les Morts Vont Vite is the one to go for) Yeti - Things to Come... Guapo - Five Suns or Black Oni I never really found Magma to be that dark. ------------- http://www.progreviews.com/"> 
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Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 16:12
| Thanks, everyone. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:07
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Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vites seems to the popular choice, and a very good one too.
Nice to see Guapo mentioned here - Black Oni is the deeper and darker of the two albums by the current version.
Univers Zero have a strong Zeuhl connection, and both 1313 and the magnificent Heresie are dark masterpieces.
But for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top. It's a 70 minute group improvisation recorded in glorious mono just after they'd finished recording MDK at the Manor, and it's one of the darkest things I've heard in any genre. Not for the faint of heart. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Root_Pepper
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:00
Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online. Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample? ------------- 
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 21:06
This is a little bit of information/review. Here's a pretty fantastic discovery we just made (although the disc was released a few years ago). It's a seventy-minute long single track entitled "Neheh", the result of four members of French prog-weirdos Magma jamming together one night in '73. We thought this would sound like a scaled down Magma, or some sort of jazz improv session. But, instead, this neither. It's absolutely unlike the jackboot precision of Magma circa '73's "Mechanik Destructiw Kommandoh" (which was in fact recorded, like, the next day!). Although this does share the esoteric spiritual aspects of Magma, there's none of Magma's grandiose rock/jazz/Wagner fusion here. Rather, it's a late-night excursion into kosmiche avant-hippy freakout realms, starting with unearthly vocal chant/drone and moving into percussion spasms, clarinet eruptions, and organ improv. So, instead of mother-band Magma, this should be compared to Amon Duul, the Sun City Girls, the No Neck Blues Band, Yahowah 13, and (closer to home) Thuja. Beautiful and wild, totally inspired. It's strange that this went unreleased until the '90s-- maybe Vander and Co. didn't want to dilute the Magma concept with something so loose and organic and, uh, 'of the times'. Still, it's one of our absolute favorite Magma-related documents, and should even appeal to those scared off by Magma's prog/fusion chops. Recommended!! (By the way, along with this, we've restocked a bunch of Magma classics, and we definitely have 'em at the best price you'll probably find anywhere.) from http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/v36.html - http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/v36.html where you are able to purchase the album, just look down the bottom of the page. I'm also sure they would most likely stock it at Magma's record label, Seventh Records. |
Posted By: pepo
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 23:22
| I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:13
I have read some rumours about Vander having Nazi sympathies, but I don't think it's true. The fact alone that he is a great fan of John Coltrane makes it very unlikely (Nazi's weren't very tolerant towards either Afro-American people and jazz). |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:20
Also Vander has Gypsy ancestory, and happily expresses that in his music (the nazis slaughtered many gypsy's) ------------- |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 09:36
Dark, heavy, slow Zeuhl  |
Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: June 28 2006 at 09:45
| Probably the third SHUB NIGGURATH album (or fourth if you count the live cassette) "C'Etaient Des Tres Grand Vents". A very weird, minimalist and eerie album. |
Posted By: Root_Pepper
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:46
Why? What is said?
Thanks for the links and help. Anyone here like Yoshida Tatsuya's zeuhl work? He's in plenty of music ventures - most of which I would call zeuhl. Drummer/Singer/Composer who is obsessed with Magma - He plays in Ruins, Koenjihyakkei, others... -------------
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:55
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Yes I am very much of a fan of his works, well the ones I have heard. I very much am quite impressed what the Japanese scene has to offer this genre. Other than owning a few Ruins albums. I have a album where he worked with another Japanese legend which maybe people have not heard of called Keniji Hanio. The album is called New Rap (The title has nothing to do with the music inside). This album contains from my opinion some of his best drumming I have heard.
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Posted By: Root_Pepper
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 21:35
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Yes! Keiji Haino is fantastic, and so is the New Rap album. I have
another album with the two of them (Keiji Haino and Yoshida Tatsuya),
plus bassist Mitsuru Nasuno. It's called "Sanhedolin" and is fantastic.
Not very zeuhl, but more avant-rock in the same vein.
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 21:45
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I have heard Keniji Haino has done some other collaborative work with some of the members from Ruins under the title "Knead". Is "Sanhedolin" one the albums by "Knead"? Or in turn have you heard of the above mentional collaboration?
Yes I would have to agree with you it is more towards the Avant-Garde/noise side of the spectrum but fantastic never less |
Posted By: Root_Pepper
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:12
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Sanhedolin is separate from Knead, I am really interested in hearing Knead! I think you would much appreciate Sanhedolin! I believe this site has two samples of their music: http://www.everythingisfire.com/index.php?itemid=124 -------------
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 20:36
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the Knead CD is probably the best out of the 3 Haino + Ruins/yoshida collaberations mentioned thus far, |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 21:26
Thanks for that. The sample were indeed very good, I'm appreciating there work. I think I will have to track down some of their works.
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 21:27
Could I ask which of the two Knead CD's you have, or which one you would recommend?
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Posted By: Root_Pepper
Date Posted: July 01 2006 at 21:04
Yes, in fact after listening to the Knead samples in your other thread, the two projects sound rather similar - obviously due the fact they share 2/3 of the same lineup. But nevertheless very cool that this is so! Here's a site of Haino Keiji's discography that I really appreciate: http://poisonpie.com/sounds/haino/text/index1.html And here's the Sanhedolin album I am talking about:  -------------
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: July 01 2006 at 21:08
the one I have is the first S/T on PSF, I know there is a second album out there from what I can remember it was vinyl only, but they might have reissued it on CD by now, I definitely like that Knead CD that I have the tunings and mix of the instruments compliment the improvised chaos perfectly, good raunchy yet crisp sound,
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:41
Thanks for the link... that page has been getting a bit of a flogging over the last few months. I wish some of the stuff on there was little more readly avaible over where I live, I would buy a lot of his material. The Sanhedolin stuff sounded really good along with the short samples of Knead, very intense but for me that is something good. Took me a while to get used to the whole intensity of the Japanese scene, but after getting into it I really do love the sound. I'm actually really looking forwards to trying to find both there albums. |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:44
Yes I'm pretty sure the second album is still only availible on Vinyl, well that is the case from all the places I have checked. Also it seems to be limited to something like 500, so I better be quick if I want to get my hands on it. I think I will try and start with the self titled one you have as it seems like a good starting place. |