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Abstrakt 
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Joined: August 18 2005 Location: Soundgarden Status: Offline Points: 18292 |
 Topic: BLACK SABBATHPosted: May 20 2006 at 03:48 |
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i know, i know...
but listen to thease albums and you'll understand:
   The years 74-78 is actually a bit proggy. Expacially the Songs "The Writ", "Megalomania", "Spiral Architect", "Air Dance" and "Johnny Blade"
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 05:30 |
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Sabbath voted on and rejected....sorry.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:04 |
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Think it over again Snowie!
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 07:11 |
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It's not his (or any other single person's) decision. Black Sabbath were rejected by numerous polls and also by the prog metal team - no chance, not even as prog related.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 07:26 |
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why not? they have used saxophone, Synthersizer, piano, steel acoustic guitar...
they are so much more than just old hard rock!
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:09 |
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Yes, I'm aware of that. I was referring to the whole Band Submissions Team. Black Sabbath should fit at least in Prog Related subgenre IMO (especially the albums listed by Abstrakt). I agree with what Abstrakt said:
What's more they created a completely new genre - metal. Isn't it progressive? Edited by Tuzvihar - May 20 2006 at 08:12 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:24 |
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Many things are progressive - although they're not prog. We have to find a balance between progressiveness and "prog" as a genre. I'd be more than happy to add Metallica, Megadeth, Diamond Head - and maybe even Black Sabbath, if "prog" was all about innovation and pioneering new genres.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:31 |
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I expected such a reply... 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:37 |
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Think about what would happen if Black Sabbath were added. Where should it end? The next band would be Steppenwolf, who made a song similar to Paranoid ...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:42 |
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^ that would be stretching it quite a bit. Maybe we'll add some proto prog metal stuff, but personally I would like to wait until we have genre per album. So only selected albums of these artists would be called "proto-prog" or "prog-related", which would make things much more clear. That's also the problem with the current prog-related bands - many people claim that band XYZ should be here because they are similar to what Deep Purple did in the 70s. But DP are here because of their early albums of the 60s ...
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:48 |
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Well, the song Paranoid isn't too proggy indeed
. But if any band had made a song smilar to, let's say, War Pigs or Spiral Architect...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:53 |
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What's so progressive about War Pigs? It's one of the most simple songs that I ever heard (and played).
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 09:02 |
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Melody changes, singing almost a capella in parts of it... Hmmm... Maybe you're right...
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W.Chuck
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 10:44 |
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WOW...MELODY CHANGES
impressive
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:03 |
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Of course War Pigs can be regarded as somewhat genre defining (Stoner Rock) - but that's about it. It's basically one great, simplistic riff, another cool (but not as majestic) one, and a blues solo.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 16:05 |
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I wonder what Ozzy would say if someone asked him or the rest of Sabbath if they were Prog
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 16:08 |
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I'd like to see Sabbath in as well, but we must accept the decision made, Ozzy would probably swear his guts out if he saw them here
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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Barla
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 16:19 |
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NO !! Obvioulsy not !! "War Pigs" IS a prog song, it has tempo changes and a prog feeling, just listen to the amazing istrumental part, and you'll realise that song IS prog ...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 16:32 |
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^
I listened to it and played it countless times. Still I don't think it's prog. Tempo changes don't make a prog song (IMO, as always).
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Tristan Mulders
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 18:48 |
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Still not thinking about a topic or something else to let people know what bands are rejected, before they decide to post about that band???
 Would save us a lot of time  Edited by Tristan Mulders - May 20 2006 at 18:49 |
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