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    Posted: April 07 2006 at 22:43

The 4 Corners of PROG includes these 4 schools of thought

1) English Progressive Rock

Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, etc

2) French Progressive Fusion

Clearlight, Lard Free, Magma, Jean-Luc Ponty, Travelling, etc 

3) German Kosmiche Musik

Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Cluster, Ashra, Michael Rother, etc

4) Italian Symphonic Rock

Celeste, Le Orme, Locanda della Fate, Jumbo, PFM, etc

these are the 4 corners or 4 schools of thought that created the best Progressive Rock of the 70's.  

your viewpoint?



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what about prog metal, post rock and every other sub genre here?

a bit narrow minded IMO...
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Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

what about prog metal, post rock and every other sub genre here?

a bit narrow minded IMO...


It clearly says of the 70's up there. Read it next time.
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Points: 5908 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2006 at 05:10
You've forgot Scandinavian Prog.It was not only prog music(Kaipa,Wigwam,Tabula Rasa),but the social movement(Kebkenajse etc).
Holland prog is also worth mention.It was the most classic-influenced prog,IMHO - just to mention Focus,Finch,Ekseption.
What for Spanish prog?It's greatly influenced by native music(Triana,Mezquita,Bloque) and also worth mention.

Personally I see not much originality in French prog.There were English-like bands(Atoll,Tai Phong(=Yes/Pink Floyd),Pentacle(=In the Court of the Crimson King),Pulsar(=Pink Floyd/Camel)) and only Zeuhl(I ain't listen to it honestly ) bands like Magma have created something new
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what about American prog?
Kansas
Happy the Man
Frank Zappa
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:51
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

The 4 Corners of PROG includes these 4 schools of thought

1) English Progressive Rock

Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, etc

2) French Progressive Fusion

Clearlight, Lard Free, Magma, Jean-Luc Ponty, Travelling, etc 

3) German Kosmiche Musik

Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Cluster, Ashra, Michael Rother, etc

4) Italian Symphonic Rock

Celeste, Le Orme, Locanda della Fate, Jumbo, PFM, etc

these are the 4 corners or 4 schools of thought that created the best Progressive Rock of the 70's.  

your viewpoint?



good ones and I'd add Prog Andaluz.  While in the late 70's prog was on the decline in many countries It was just getting revved up in Spain.  I would possibly consider it  a 5th corner of 70's prog.  Love your 4 corners though.
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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

The 4 Corners of PROG includes these 4 schools of thought


1) English Progressive Rock


Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, etc


2) French Progressive Fusion


Clearlight, Lard Free, Magma, Jean-Luc Ponty, Travelling, etc 


3) German Kosmiche Musik


Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Cluster, Ashra, Michael Rother, etc


4) Italian Symphonic Rock


Celeste, Le Orme, Locanda della Fate, Jumbo, PFM, etc


these are the 4 corners or 4 schools of thought that created the best Progressive Rock of the 70's.  


your viewpoint?


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Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

what about prog metal, post rock and every other sub genre here?

a bit narrow minded IMO...


It clearly says of the 70's up there. Read it next time.


i am an idiot.  my bad.
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Os Mutantes- Brazilian Prog!

Frank Zappa - North American Prog!

Not impressed with categorizing by region, it ignores the cross-fertilization of bands across boundaries, though I admit some currency for separating German trends as an essentially nation-specific style.
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Yeah I have to agree about the German stuff. Also as mentioned French prog tends to be copycat and therefore not really progressive. Definatly have to add a North American category, not to do so seems like blatant anti-american sentiment that really has no place in musical discussion. I really havent heard a lot of Italian stuff but there is so much buzz about it I guess it has to be a cornerstone.
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I like it. I might replace French with something eles (American, or Scandinavian) but still...nice corners
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Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

Yeah I have to agree about the German stuff. Also as mentioned French prog tends to be copycat and therefore not really progressive. Definatly have to add a North American category, not to do so seems like blatant anti-american sentiment that really has no place in musical discussion. I really havent heard a lot of Italian stuff but there is so much buzz about it I guess it has to be a cornerstone.


there's no anti-Armerican sentiment.  It just isn't a cornerstone of 70's prog in some people's opinion.  Go deeper than Zappa, Kansas, and Happy the Man.  It wasn't that big a scene and I would contend that it wasn't as  important (Zappa himself excluded of course) to the prog scene as a whole.. in the 70's that is... as others that Dallas put and others have mentioned.  Prog by any and all definitions and schools of thought was a euro-centric artform in the 70's. 
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2006 at 21:25
The people who claim the French scene isn't important haven't heard Lard Free!
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Points: 564 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2006 at 22:50
or Zac M... if it was important... we WOULD have heard it 



Point well taken micky. I know its not everyones opinion but DallasBryan asked for my viewpoint,  and mine is that the rock part of progressive rock was best done in North America. Great musicianship and composing from all parts of the progressive scene but most of the eurocentric movements had the emphasis on the prog part of the equation. I'm not saying one is better than the other here I just think they are equally important.
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England seems to have produced the biggest crop of prog bands. There must be something about the stiff upper lip that produced all those prog greats from merry ol' England. Great music to be sure, but thier cars,.................well, that's another story............
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Good corners, maybe you can call them The 4 Fantastic europe corners...

North American instead French maybe

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Originally posted by Sacred 22 Sacred 22 wrote:

England seems to have produced the biggest crop of prog bands. There must be something about the stiff upper lip that produced all those prog greats from merry ol' England. Great music to be sure, but thier cars,.................well, that's another story............


maybe it was the food.. coupled with some great beer...  just a thought
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:20
Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

or Zac M... if it was important... we WOULD have heard it 



Point well taken micky. I know its not everyones opinion but DallasBryan asked for my viewpoint,  and mine is that the rock part of progressive rock was best done in North America. Great musicianship and composing from all parts of the progressive scene but most of the eurocentric movements had the emphasis on the prog part of the equation. I'm not saying one is better than the other here I just think they are equally important.


hmmm.. .better really should have no part in the equation. I'd put the Italian scene over anything that came out of North America but ask someone else and they might think differently.  That's just preference.   I do find it hard to accept that the marginal American prog scene is anywhere near as important as what was coming out of europe in the 70's.  Kansas for example...  a great group but how  far did their influence and impact extend into europe.. heck how far did it extend into America.  No great American prog scene erupted around them.  I know you are throwing out your two cents as I am as well.


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hey Sacred 22, nice avatar!!

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