4 Corners of 70’s PROG
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Topic: 4 Corners of 70’s PROG
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: 4 Corners of 70’s PROG
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 22:43
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The 4 Corners of PROG includes these 4 schools of thought 1) English Progressive Rock Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, etc 2) French Progressive Fusion Clearlight, Lard Free, Magma, Jean-Luc Ponty, Travelling, etc 3) German Kosmiche Musik Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Cluster, Ashra, Michael Rother, etc 4) Italian Symphonic Rock Celeste, Le Orme, Locanda della Fate, Jumbo, PFM, etc these are the 4 corners or 4 schools of thought that created the best Progressive Rock of the 70's. your viewpoint? |
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 00:02
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what about prog metal, post rock and every other sub genre here? a bit narrow minded IMO... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 00:06
It clearly says of the 70's up there. Read it next time. |
GoldenSpiral wrote:Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 05:10
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You've forgot Scandinavian Prog.It was not only prog music(Kaipa,Wigwam,Tabula Rasa),but the social movement(Kebkenajse etc).
Holland prog is also worth mention.It was the most classic-influenced prog,IMHO - just to mention Focus,Finch,Ekseption. What for Spanish prog?It's greatly influenced by native music(Triana,Mezquita,Bloque) and also worth mention. Personally I see not much originality in French prog.There were English-like bands(Atoll,Tai Phong(=Yes/Pink Floyd),Pentacle(=In the Court of the Crimson King),Pulsar(=Pink Floyd/Camel)) and only Zeuhl(I ain't listen to it honestly  ) bands like Magma have created something new
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 11:08
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what about American prog? Kansas Happy the Man Frank Zappa |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:51
good ones and I'd add Prog Andaluz. While in the late 70's prog was on the decline in many countries It was just getting revved up in Spain. I would possibly consider it a 5th corner of 70's prog. Love your 4 corners though.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 15:38
Beware! The Freemasons will be after you  Superb thread ------------- 
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Posted By: toothpick2112
Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 16:46
| Canadian Prog? |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 02:46
i am an idiot. my bad. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 03:22
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Os Mutantes- Brazilian Prog! Frank Zappa - North American Prog! Not impressed with categorizing by region, it ignores the cross-fertilization of bands across boundaries, though I admit some currency for separating German trends as an essentially nation-specific style. ------------- New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres! www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 14:52
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Yeah I have to agree about the German stuff. Also as mentioned French prog tends to be copycat and therefore not really progressive. Definatly have to add a North American category, not to do so seems like blatant anti-american sentiment that really has no place in musical discussion. I really havent heard a lot of Italian stuff but there is so much buzz about it I guess it has to be a cornerstone. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 14:58
I like it. I might replace French with something eles (American, or Scandinavian) but still...nice corners  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 15:06
there's no anti-Armerican sentiment. It just isn't a cornerstone of 70's prog in some people's opinion. Go deeper than Zappa, Kansas, and Happy the Man. It wasn't that big a scene and I would contend that it wasn't as important (Zappa himself excluded of course) to the prog scene as a whole.. in the 70's that is... as others that Dallas put and others have mentioned. Prog by any and all definitions and schools of thought was a euro-centric artform in the 70's. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 21:25
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The people who claim the French scene isn't important haven't heard Lard Free!
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 22:50
or Zac M... if it was important... we WOULD have heard it Point well taken micky. I know its not everyones opinion but DallasBryan asked for my viewpoint, and mine is that the rock part of progressive rock was best done in North America. Great musicianship and composing from all parts of the progressive scene but most of the eurocentric movements had the emphasis on the prog part of the equation. I'm not saying one is better than the other here I just think they are equally important. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 21:52
England seems to have produced the biggest crop of prog bands. There must be something about the stiff upper lip that produced all those prog greats from merry ol' England. Great music to be sure, but thier cars,.................well, that's another story............
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:11
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Good corners, maybe you can call them The 4 Fantastic europe corners... North American instead French maybe ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:13
maybe it was the food.. coupled with some great beer... just a thought ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:20
hmmm.. .better really should have no part in the equation. I'd put the Italian scene over anything that came out of North America but ask someone else and they might think differently. That's just preference. I do find it hard to accept that the marginal American prog scene is anywhere near as important as what was coming out of europe in the 70's. Kansas for example... a great group but how far did their influence and impact extend into europe.. heck how far did it extend into America. No great American prog scene erupted around them. I know you are throwing out your two cents as I am as well. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:34
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hey Sacred 22, nice avatar!! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 22:50
I'd prefer what I've heard of the French scene to North America myself. Lard Free are important to me at least, and you need to hear them by the way. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 16:59
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If one is not familar with Clearlight, Lard Free, Heldon, Travelling, Triode, Ose, Ange, Atoll, Anachroid, Alain Markusfeld, Jean-Luc Ponty, Jean-Michael Jarre, Carpe Diem, Pentacle, Magma, Francois Breant, Weidorje, Patrick Gauthier, Gong, etc. Its not my fault that you belittle the 70's influence from France on Progressive Fusion. I consider the american influence as being part of the english movement. Belgium and Holland as cross pollenation from England and France. Canadian as cross from english, american and french. most central and northern european as basically from mostly German, then English influences. Italian as the major force in southern europe. And Spain a mixture. Perhaps Spain and/or Scandi and/or American forming 6 or 7 corners. Who knows just wanted to get some feedback. The 4 I mentioned seemed to be fruitful and original enough to stand on their own merits. Perhaps I could say that 60's American Psyche really had an influence on all the above.
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 17:25
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Lets look at it another way when regarding the NORTH AMERICAN PROG SCENE in the 70's. Maybe it's because it's looked at unfavorably but I think that besides maybe Marillion and Asia in the 80's, the 70's American prog scene might have in many ways helped to lead to neo-prog as well as being the "AOR" version of prog. Bands like Kansas, Styx, Rush, Saga, Journey, Triumph, Boston, Ambrosia, Todd Rundgren all were huge and had influences in the prog community. Just a thought. ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 19:01
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No offense, but that 4 corners idea just doesn't sound right. It's admirable to do so, but there's way too much over-analyzing on this site. You can inspect and investigate a flower, but will destroy it in the process. Sometimes art doesn't make sense under a microscope. It works on a entirely different level.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 20:37
hmmm good point...but let me counter your excellent post... you can just enjoy flower but without investigating it.. it is destroyed all the same in the process.. how you ask.. without finding a deeper meaning in it... you lose interest and move on to the next 'pretty' flower that catches your eye..... art makes all the sense in the world 'under a microscope'... art is supposed to challenge the intellect, to make you think and to feel... to react. To fail to put art under the microscope is to ignore what makes art so valuable to us as a species. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:45
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Certainly the beer has to be considered. |
Lots of kids in England were trained in classical music as well and coupled with thier speaking english gave them easier language access to the huge North American market. Look at YES for instance, they covered a Paul Simon tune (America....killer tune the way YES does it I might add) in anticipation for the big American markets they and others were yearning to tap into.Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:48
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Thanks! Sentimental reasons. I used to have a Blue and Gold Macaw. I do miss her
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:52
I always thought that classical tradition and education was a factor in why prog has really been a euro-centric genre. Not just for the musicians but the fans as well. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:03
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[/QUOTE] Yes, and living here in western Canada is proof of that. Beautiful place, but musically removed by light years to even eastern Canada, let alone Europe. so, it can only get better........................right? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:28
I always thought that classical tradition and education was a factor in why prog has really been a euro-centric genre. Not just for the musicians but the fans as well. [/QUOTE] Yes, and living here in western Canada is proof of that. Beautiful place, but musically removed by light years to even eastern Canada, let alone Europe. so, it can only get better........................right? for us here in the states... a big Hell No it won't.. at least for awhile.. hopefully you have had it better than the next generation here in the states will have it. With 'No Child Left Behind' such 'unnecessary' education such as music are devalued while teachers teach students math and language to pass required EOY tests. Another great example of W's foresight to the future..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:43
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It seems a large part of the best Prog rock is confined to USA and Europe (exception Rush-Canada) In New Zealand there is hardly any prog rock at all, just some lousy punk and metal bands, a lot of Maori and Pacific island youths whom for some reason think that they are black americans and imitate homies and sing hip hop, must be some sort of identity crisis or something NZ only really had Split Enz as our answer to prog,(but is not on the archives Apart from that we have zilch, prog. So I think Europe and the states is really where prog is happening and so is really the four corners, I was wondering is there any prog from africa? |
).Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 21:23
Yes, and living here in western Canada is proof of that. Beautiful place, but musically removed by light years to even eastern Canada, let alone Europe. so, it can only get better........................right? [/QUOTE] Double YA is nothing more than a simple puppet. Things are going to get a hell of alot worse before they get any better. I am old enough to know the difference and I find it depressing. I feel for the kids.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 21:29
I think you have a few more miles on the odometer than I do hahaha.. but I agree... I really don't like the way things are.. and seem to be progressing. My mother and I were talking the other night, she made the point that this country today.. is not the same one she grew up in. You know... it's not the same one I grew up in as well. I have three children in the school system, so I do lie awake at night thinking of things like this... and I just wonder what lies in the future....hard to be optimistic.. and I'm a very positive thinking person. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 22:07
Basically the world is run by the World Bank and they finance everything from local terror to international terror and anything else them deem important. The CIA enforces and or over sees the the wishes of the World Bank and that's about it in a nut shell. No, it does not look at all promising and I know a few people who have decided to educate their kids themselves. Sad when you can't trust the institutions that your tax dollars pay for. Big Brother does most of their dirty work thru the media and TV is the biggest mind manipulator they have. By the way, music will be one of the first casualties of the "New World Order". That should be obvious to most people. Anyway, it's one huge can of worms. Incidently, if you listen to the album Magnification by YES you can hear the concern that is expressed via Jons lyrics. He and a few others are doing thier best to inform people, but I'm afraid the average person will never know. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 13 2006 at 07:00
| the best prog is easliy europe, mostly england and germany |