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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 21:00
All I did was state my opinion .. and its still my opinion , I could argue with so many of you like you have with me but whats the point,in the end I`ll be enjoying my prog in 20 years while you skip from phase to phase holding onto nothing but another buzz,prog isn`t about fashion, and alternative rock is , this makes what you like a phase   

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Points: 370 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 21:18

 Since Darrin said most of what I was thinking, I'll just try to sum up.

 These things tend to be cyclical.

 Punk was a return to the roots of rock'n'roll.

 Alternative can be likened to what the Beatles were doing. Not stylistically, socially.

 Compare the years between punk and alt to the years between Elvis and the Beatles and  you   can  see they match up pretty closely.

 The bottom line is we should be getting to the point where we start seeing  a return of PROG,  indeed it is already starting. The next few years should see some really interesting music coming out.
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Points: 152 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 21:54
Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

If an "Alternative" band decided to make prog (dream on!) they would no longer be alternative, they would be prog. Alternative-prog might be a way of labelling bands like Jelly Jam and Coheed and Cambria, both bands are hardly prog in the 70's sense, or perhaps not even prog-metal or art rock. When you make progressive music, an overwhelming majority of people will claim you are a progressive artist, you will not see that happen with alternative bands, many of which do not even hold the talent to make prog-rock that doesn't sound alternative.



Why does everybody talks about prog in the 70's sense and don't accept it's evolution in the 00's?You can not like what prog has become, but it's that way. Look at what prog sounded like in the 80's! Some hated it and some loved it! I Think Coheed and Cambria has forged a new sound in the music industry and their last album is their most challenging one yet and they'll probably do better with the next one, and then the next one and then, 10 years later maybe they will be presented in a Progarchives type of site or on this site as a prog band that blended prog with Alternative and emo elements together and they will label it with whatever the name they will come up with because once again the purist will not like to see only the word Prog beside that name or whatever...


I think this thread is pretty much ridiculous! I'm with the guy that said that you label too much music, it's kinda sad!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 23:10
Originally posted by Inferno Inferno wrote:

Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

If an "Alternative" band decided to make prog (dream on!) they would no longer be alternative, they would be prog. Alternative-prog might be a way of labelling bands like Jelly Jam and Coheed and Cambria, both bands are hardly prog in the 70's sense, or perhaps not even prog-metal or art rock. When you make progressive music, an overwhelming majority of people will claim you are a progressive artist, you will not see that happen with alternative bands, many of which do not even hold the talent to make prog-rock that doesn't sound alternative.



Why does everybody talks about prog in the 70's sense and don't accept it's evolution in the 00's?You can not like what prog has become, but it's that way. Look at what prog sounded like in the 80's! Some hated it and some loved it! I Think Coheed and Cambria has forged a new sound in the music industry and their last album is their most challenging one yet and they'll probably do better with the next one, and then the next one and then, 10 years later maybe they will be presented in a Progarchives type of site or on this site as a prog band that blended prog with Alternative and emo elements together and they will label it with whatever the name they will come up with because once again the purist will not like to see only the word Prog beside that name or whatever...


I think this thread is pretty much ridiculous! I'm with the guy that said that you label too much music, it's kinda sad!
Do you often take the time to responed to ridiculous threads ? is this something you enjoy doing ?
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Points: 152 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 23:18
Actually, I was looking if someone would name other bands then C&C as Alternative/prog band so to speak b'cause I consider bands like Dredg, C&C, Oceansize to be such bands and I want to find other bands in the same veins!

It end up that I took the time to respond to this ridiculous thread indeed
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Points: 452 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 23:18
Originally posted by Tormato Tormato wrote:

Wasn't Bob Geldoff in the "Bottom Rats" when Roger Waters called him for "The wall"?

Off topic I know but this reminds me of one of those docos on the making of "The Wall". Geldoff was riding in a taxi with his agent and went off on a rant. Geldoff went off talking how he hated the idea, didn't want to do the film and voiced a few words about what he thought about Pink Floyd. This being a small world, Sir Bob didn't know the cab driver was Roger Water's brother.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 23:23
Originally posted by Inferno Inferno wrote:

Actually, I was looking if someone would name other bands then C&C as Alternative/prog band so to speak b'cause I consider bands like Dredg, C&C, Oceansize to be such bands and I want to find other bands in the same veins!

It end up that I took the time to respond to this ridiculous thread indeed
I`ll be honest with you , there is no right and wrong to this topic , its all about taste , I`m aware that just because I don`t like The Mars Volta very much that doesn`t make them any less valid as a prog band. So this thread was made to generate conversation and who knows at very least maybe just maybe we may be able to understand each other  
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Points: 152 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 23:26
That's the spirit!!!
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Points: 502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 03:26

Seriously I couldn't give a sh*t. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I like WHAT SOUNDS GOOD. I love prog but lately I've been introduced to the Kidney Thieves and be they 'alternative' or not, I sure think they're the most proggy-alt band ever to come across meee.

 
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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 06:10
oh no! prog and alternative dont mix you say!?

here let me throw out every cd i own that might be called "alternative"

phew thats better, now i only listen to prog.

thanks s1ippery!

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Points: 12817 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 07:30

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

everyone here is so label oriented it is sad.

 

So how do you explain the sort of new music youre into, to your friends who haven't heard it? You need reference points, but would suggest there is the aspect of overdoing these things. However, I don't believe such labelling should restrict listening, because some music doesn't fit a particular pigeonhole.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 08:33
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

oh no! prog and alternative dont mix you say!?

here let me throw out every cd i own that might be called "alternative"

phew thats better, now i only listen to prog.

thanks s1ippery!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 08:45



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Points: 338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 10:04
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Points: 7 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 10:12
Some of the views I've read here typify the elitist attitude that gives prog such a bad name. I think that for a band to be truly progressive these days, they have to assimilate alternaive influences along with the best aspects of 70s prog. As much as I like bands like Glass Hammer and Galahad, they aren't doing anything original with the genre, whereas the likes of h era Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Pineapple Thief and (shock horror) the Mars Volta are the true innovators.
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