tom waits

add tom waits from swordfishtrombones until real gone.
pleeeasssee

weedeatersquid wrote: no no no no no no. tom waits is no where near prog. i have his entire discography. it's not prog. it's avant-garde/experimental jazz. just like that patton/kadda. no where near prog. stop.

Patton/Kaada will be added.

I definitely agree that Tom Waits should be on the Archives. His earlier work is not very progressive, but everything he made since Swordfishtrombones is. Especially Real Gone and Bone Machine, with their really bizarre use of percussion can be classified as Avant-Garde. And yes, his music sounds a lot like Captain Beefheart, but Waits adds his own jazzy nightclub style and his experimental percussion. I don't see a reason why Tom Waits couldn't be included as Avantprog.

I enjoy his stuff and look at it like Captain Beefheart but somewhat less avant-garde. I think he should at least be prog related.

I didn't mean to be quite so biting; I'll Hang My Head In Shame.

Copyright it so you can stop it ever, ever being repeated, you mean? Please do!

Tom Waits until The Black Rider is Real Gone. Then he meets Alice (his Blue Valentine), and buys some Used Songs for only some Small Change. But it's The Heart of Saturday Night, and they decide to make out ... what should they do? Invest some Blood Money and use the Bone Machine, or listen to some Mule Variations by Swordfishtrombones?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Peter wrote: Rashikal wrote: so tom waits isnt symphonic 70s prog.... your point is????       Seriously, I don't think he is any form of what is generally accepted here as "prog." But a fine, very unique artist, just the same. Being odd or different is not enough, though, or else Tiny Tim is prog. Just one man's opinion -- don't sweat it. Would you care to explain the difference between Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits? Of course there is a difference, but I really don't think that it is as big as you might think.

No, I wouldn't.

I don't claim to be an expert on either artist, but I don't consider Beefheart prog either.

(I even have serious misgivings about Zappa.)

And Miles Davis is jazz, and Hendrix is rock -- again, in my collection.

But that's just my personal opinion, and interpretation of what "prog" sounds like (we each have our own take on that very vague term -- hence this issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of all, as long as this site is called "Prog" Archives).

Your definition is more inclusive than mine (and others here) -- no big deal. We are each entitled to arrange our record collections, and homemade compilations, as we see fit.

Some go more with the dictionary meaning of "progressive," some interpret it along the lines of what it originally implied, re a sound/group of pioneering bands, in the 70s.

Hence, again, the ongoing, endless debates and disputes on these matters.

I think there is classic prog, "retro" prog (IQ, Pendragon, etc), metal with keyboards, other genres like folk rock, classic rock and world music, which don't belong here, and a huge category, composed mostly of newer artists, which, for lack of a better name, I'll call "experimental," or "alternate" music. The name "progressive" just doesn't do all we are asking it to do here.

In any case, I have no vote in the artist selection process, and have to live with whatever selections are made, if I want to continue to participate here -- and I do.

 

 

 

I do imagine, though, that Waits would find the label to be laughable -- he is in his own genre.

Leon Redbone next?

Edited by Peter

Yes, yes, we can all agree Tom Waits is very, very good and very talented at using the contents of a junkyard outhouse to make his quirky, 'i'm a little bit mad, me' records but he's about as prog as L'il Kim.

Tom Waits prog? I agree that he is an interesting singer/songwriter but just because he is clinically depressed like Captain Beefheart, or Roger Waters, doesn't make him prog at all. Neither is Captain Beefheart prog, just because his collaboration with - the one and only - Frank Zappa.

I didn't bother to check lately - not wanting to be disappointed again - but is Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix here - yet? Tom Waits is at the very end of a rather long cue to be admitted.