tom waits
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Topic: tom waits
Posted By: Rashikal
Subject: tom waits
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 16:36
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where is he
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 16:38
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If you mean "where is he on this site?" then I guess he's not prog enough. Other than that, who knows? |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 16:49
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he should be on this site
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 16:59
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'where is he' 'he should be on this site'
and as if by MAGIC he suddenly APPEARS 
9 word conjurations - if only it was that easy  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:23
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I must admit that I've never liked his stuff outside of the Asylum work he did. It's way too weird and relatively unmelodic. However, I've always time for his Asylum era stuff; I always loved his gorgeous song 'Martha' which is one of my favourite songs. But prog?? No way- it's singer songwriter style music fused with a jazz vibe, or plain dissonance in the case of anything from 'Swordfishtrombones'. |
-Tom Waits, prog??Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:28
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Tom Waits is as progressive as you can get. The problem is: Is he rock? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 18:26
| Tom Waits is awesome but if he was included here, I would have to quit this place immediately. If he's prog rock then so is Rickie Lee Jones, so is Chuck E Weiss, etc etc etc. None are prog.... |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:45
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tom waits older stuff isnt prog at all... his new stuff is very prog, very good.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:58
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What is prog?
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You know, artists like Yes, old Genesis, Crimson, Gentle Giant,Tom Waits....Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 00:01
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He went for a dump, and the crows got him. Sad, really.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Rashikal wrote:
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 00:03
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so tom waits isnt symphonic 70s prog.... your point is????
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 00:09
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On top of my head!
Seriously, I don't think he is any form of what is generally accepted here as "prog." But a fine, very unique artist, just the same. Being odd or different is not enough, though, or else Tiny Tim is prog. Just one man's opinion -- don't sweat it. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 00:14
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"Prog" is basically undefined, and a very subjective concept. Other artists I don't consider prog have been added, so you never know. He's prog in your collection, but not in mine -- don't take it personally. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 01:03
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Tom Waits has nothing to do with prog... he's insane though.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 02:58
Would you care to explain the difference between Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits? Of course there is a difference, but I really don't think that it is as big as you might think. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 04:07
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Tom Waits prog? I agree that he is an interesting singer/songwriter but just because he is clinically depressed like Captain Beefheart, or Roger Waters, doesn't make him prog at all. Neither is Captain Beefheart prog, just because his collaboration with - the one and only - Frank Zappa. I didn't bother to check lately - not wanting to be disappointed again - but is Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix here - yet? Tom Waits is at the very end of a rather long cue to be admitted. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:52
Tom Waits is much more than just singer/songwriter type music. He adds many interesting and diverse facets to his songs, using elements from any other genre that he fancies. Jazz, Gospel, New Age, Blues, ... - and this mix of genres is then twisted and turned in really crazy ways. He is not a prog artist, but surely very progressive. He was always ahead of his times. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:59
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Yes, yes, we can all agree Tom Waits is very, very good and very
talented at using the contents of a junkyard outhouse to make his
quirky, 'i'm a little bit mad, me' records but he's about as prog as
L'il Kim.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:32
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:43
No, I wouldn't. I don't claim to be an expert on either artist, but I don't consider Beefheart prog either. (I even have serious misgivings about Zappa.) And Miles Davis is jazz, and Hendrix is rock -- again, in my collection. But that's just my personal opinion, and interpretation of what "prog" sounds like (we each have our own take on that very vague term -- hence this issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of all, as long as this site is called "Prog" Archives). Your definition is more inclusive than mine (and others here) -- no big deal. We are each entitled to arrange our record collections, and homemade compilations, as we see fit. Some go more with the dictionary meaning of "progressive," some interpret it along the lines of what it originally implied, re a sound/group of pioneering bands, in the 70s. Hence, again, the ongoing, endless debates and disputes on these matters. I think there is classic prog, "retro" prog (IQ, Pendragon, etc), metal with keyboards, other genres like folk rock, classic rock and world music, which don't belong here, and a huge category, composed mostly of newer artists, which, for lack of a better name, I'll call "experimental," or "alternate" music. The name "progressive" just doesn't do all we are asking it to do here. In any case, I have no vote in the artist selection process, and have to live with whatever selections are made, if I want to continue to participate here -- and I do.
I do imagine, though, that Waits would find the label to be laughable -- he is in his own genre. Leon Redbone next? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 13:07
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Tom waits for no man....
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 13:41
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Tom Waits until The Black Rider is Real Gone. Then he meets Alice (his Blue Valentine), and buys some Used Songs for only some Small Change. But it's The Heart of Saturday Night, and they decide to make out ... what should they do? Invest some Blood Money and use the Bone Machine, or listen to some Mule Variations by Swordfishtrombones? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 13:53
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Or not.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
^ We should copyright this stuff!
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:10
Copyright it so you can stop it ever, ever being repeated, you mean? Please do! 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:12
^  (crushed)------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:18
I didn't mean to be quite so biting; I'll Hang My Head In Shame.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:26
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Hang down yer head Tom Doooleeeeee! Hang down yer head a-ha-hand CRY-HIIIIII!
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Posted By: kingofbizzare
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 20:17
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I enjoy his stuff and look at it like Captain Beefheart but somewhat less avant-garde. I think he should at least be prog related. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingofbizzare/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 10:50
You're that old? How about some Guy Mitchell and Rosemary Clooney then........................................... |
Posted By: harm s.
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 04:48
| I definitely agree that Tom Waits should be on the Archives. His earlier work is not very progressive, but everything he made since Swordfishtrombones is. Especially Real Gone and Bone Machine, with their really bizarre use of percussion can be classified as Avant-Garde. And yes, his music sounds a lot like Captain Beefheart, but Waits adds his own jazzy nightclub style and his experimental percussion. I don't see a reason why Tom Waits couldn't be included as Avantprog. |
Posted By: weedeatersquid
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 10:16
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no no no no no no. tom waits is no where near prog. i have his entire discography. it's not prog. it's avant-garde/experimental jazz. just like that patton/kadda. no where near prog. stop. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 10:33
Patton/Kaada will be added. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 10:34
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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 15:23
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add tom waits from swordfishtrombones until real gone. pleeeasssee -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 15:27
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The problem that I have with Tom Waits is that although he's prog, he's not really rock. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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