tom waits

If you mean "where is he on this site?" then I guess he's not prog enough.
Other than that, who knows?

'where is he'    'he should be on this site'

and as if by MAGIC he suddenly APPEARS

9 word conjurations - if only it was that easy

Tom Waits is as progressive as you can get. The problem is: Is he rock?

tom waits older stuff isnt prog at all... his new stuff is very prog, very good. 

Rashikal wrote: where is he

He went for a dump, and the crows got him.

Sad, really....

Rashikal wrote: so tom waits isnt symphonic 70s prog.... your point is????

On top of my head!

 

 

Seriously, I don't think he is any form of what is generally accepted here as "prog."

But a fine, very unique artist, just the same.

Being odd or different is not enough, though, or else Tiny Tim is prog.

Just one man's opinion -- don't sweat it.

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Tom Waits has nothing to do with prog... he's insane though. 

Tom Waits prog? I agree that he is an interesting singer/songwriter but just because he is clinically depressed like Captain Beefheart, or Roger Waters, doesn't make him prog at all. Neither is Captain Beefheart prog, just because his collaboration with - the one and only - Frank Zappa.

I didn't bother to check lately - not wanting to be disappointed again - but is Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix here - yet? Tom Waits is at the very end of a rather long cue to be admitted.

Yes, yes, we can all agree Tom Waits is very, very good and very talented at using the contents of a junkyard outhouse to make his quirky, 'i'm a little bit mad, me' records but he's about as prog as L'il Kim.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Peter wrote: Rashikal wrote: so tom waits isnt symphonic 70s prog.... your point is????       Seriously, I don't think he is any form of what is generally accepted here as "prog." But a fine, very unique artist, just the same. Being odd or different is not enough, though, or else Tiny Tim is prog. Just one man's opinion -- don't sweat it. Would you care to explain the difference between Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits? Of course there is a difference, but I really don't think that it is as big as you might think.

No, I wouldn't.

I don't claim to be an expert on either artist, but I don't consider Beefheart prog either.

(I even have serious misgivings about Zappa.)

And Miles Davis is jazz, and Hendrix is rock -- again, in my collection.

But that's just my personal opinion, and interpretation of what "prog" sounds like (we each have our own take on that very vague term -- hence this issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of all, as long as this site is called "Prog" Archives).

Your definition is more inclusive than mine (and others here) -- no big deal. We are each entitled to arrange our record collections, and homemade compilations, as we see fit.

Some go more with the dictionary meaning of "progressive," some interpret it along the lines of what it originally implied, re a sound/group of pioneering bands, in the 70s.

Hence, again, the ongoing, endless debates and disputes on these matters.

I think there is classic prog, "retro" prog (IQ, Pendragon, etc), metal with keyboards, other genres like folk rock, classic rock and world music, which don't belong here, and a huge category, composed mostly of newer artists, which, for lack of a better name, I'll call "experimental," or "alternate" music. The name "progressive" just doesn't do all we are asking it to do here.

In any case, I have no vote in the artist selection process, and have to live with whatever selections are made, if I want to continue to participate here -- and I do.

 

 

 

I do imagine, though, that Waits would find the label to be laughable -- he is in his own genre.

Leon Redbone next?

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