Fathers Of Prog Metal

Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal...

Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep

Edited by King of Loss

The true father of Prog Metal is Iron Butterfly. You can't tell me that In-a-gadda-da-vida isn't the starting point. 18 minutes of long keyboard, guitar and drum solos. Shifting and changing meters and moods. It is the blueprint for everything that comes after!

micky wrote: King of Loss wrote: Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal... Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep nowadays..... what is your point?  I believe we are talking about the founding fathers of prog metal.  I'd hope,  if that stuff is to be considered prog, that it would share some part of what prog is about, which is about not sitting on your ass and expanding the boundries and moving forward.

Uriah Heep is no more than a plain old Hard Rock band, I wouldn't even call them Prog.

I would say RUSH

 

However I voted K.C.

From the list IMO the most influential for prog-metal is King Crimson but I wouldn't say that they are "fathers" of the genre...

ANDREW wrote: URIAH HEEP!

How are they Metal, if at all????

Catholic Flame wrote: micky wrote: Catholic Flame wrote: The true father of Prog Metal is Iron Butterfly. You can't tell me that In-a-gadda-da-vida isn't the starting point. 18 minutes of long keyboard, guitar and drum solos. Shifting and changing meters and moods. It is the blueprint for everything that comes after! hmmm interesting I guess I will hahahahh . sounds like like what you have described is a psychedelic jam session hahahah.  I've heard it of course and long extended jam sessions like that are more indicative of blues based rock and roll which is what exactly I believe prog was trying to get  away from,  proto-prog perhaps, but metal?...... more a psychedelic classic than metal.  I thought you said you had listened to it.

of course I've heard it, I've owned copies on LPl and CD for 20+ years.  It's a classic album. Obviously you feel it is prog metal, I don't.  It is surely not prog, and is borderline metal. I don't normally quote other people's thoughts, but this says it better than I could on short notice considering I haven't given much thought to Iron Butterfly since I was a teenager...

" Iron Butterfly are often said to be one of the first pioneers of 'heavy metal'. This is certainly not true: Iron Butterfly never were a huge influence on later metallic bands, and their sound, while heavy enough, was never really similar to, say, Led Zeppelin (although the names of both bands fit the same pattern: the contrast between 'heaviness' - iron, lead - and 'flying, lightweightness' - butterfly, zeppelin). Not true, that is, if one limits the term 'heavy metal' to the kind of heavy riff tunes played in unison with the bass, etc., etc., developed by Led Zep and Black Sabbath: the bands that inspired generations of metal musicians that came after them. This is the main difference: Led Zeppelin and Sabbath, who themselves took their inspiration from Cream and the Who, were followed; Iron Butterfly, who drew their inspiration from seemingly nowhere, were not, and the kind of 'acid hard rock' that they dabbled in was never repeated."

King of Loss wrote: micky wrote: King of Loss wrote: Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal... Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep nowadays..... what is your point?  I believe we are talking about the founding fathers of prog metal.  I'd hope,  if that stuff is to be considered prog, that it would share some part of what prog is about, which is about not sitting on your ass and expanding the boundries and moving forward.  Uriah Heep is no more than a plain old Hard Rock band, I wouldn't even call them Prog.

hmm, your opinion I guess.  For the sake of this PA's considers them such and other references to them being prog abound on the net, so I guess an explanation as to why you think they aren't prog might be in order.  I'll spare you the standard question as to if you have actually own a Uriah Heep album or not,  that could be construed as insultiing.  So I'll assume you have, and can answer that question.

King of Loss wrote: micky wrote: King of Loss wrote: micky wrote: King of Loss wrote: Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal... Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep nowadays..... what is your point?  I believe we are talking about the founding fathers of prog metal.  I'd hope,  if that stuff is to be considered prog, that it would share some part of what prog is about, which is about not sitting on your ass and expanding the boundries and moving forward.  Uriah Heep is no more than a plain old Hard Rock band, I wouldn't even call them Prog. hmm, your opinion I guess.  For the sake of this PA's considers them such and other references to them being prog abound on the net, so I guess an explanation as to why you think they aren't prog might be in order.  I'll spare you the standard question as to if you have actually own a Uriah Heep album or not,  that could be construed as insultiing.  So I'll assume you have, and can answer that question. I don't own any Uriah Heep albums, but I have downloaded them. Overall, they are not very heavy at all enough to be considered Metal by a long shot, I mean, bands like Spock's Beard are heavier than them and not even considered Metal, then why consider them Prog Metal? Actually, I think they do have some Prog tints and dashes in between, but not enough to be considered full-blown Prog.

not to come across as an ass (if not already too late hahahah) but I think you are missing the point. I'm not claiming they were metal, all I'm saying is they could be considered as a founding father of prog metal that took elements of metal and fused them with prog.  Their lyrical themes are Picture perfect examples of the metal genre, yet they have some of the classic prog signatures... grandiose epics, and excellent keyboardist, an up front and aggressive bassist in the grand prog tradition.  Not to mention, I believe I have read in the past of Uriah Heeps influence on Rush, who generally seem to get credited for prog-metal.  I know Uriah Heep sound nothiing like what prog-metal sounds like today, it progressed and evolved but the origens have to be traced somewhere  and I think Uriah Heep is as good as any, and worth bringing up. The more so since, in this poll, an option was ..... Gentle Giant.

I think that three are the bands really important to the cretation of Prog-Metal: Rush, Metallica and Iron Maiden.