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Points: 721 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:30
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Ok....one point I have to make.

Progressive Punk is almost like an oxymoron to me.Punk is in direct oppostion to everything prog is about and vice versa.


That's completely incorrect. Just because the most popular punk bands are/were very musically simple doesn't mean that's a fundamental characteristic of the genre. Out of curiosity, what punk bands are you basing your opinion on?


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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:32
Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:


Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Ok....one point I have to make.


Progressive Punk is almost like an oxymoron to me.Punk is in direct
oppostion to everything prog is about and vice versa.


That's completely incorrect. What punk bands are you basing this opinion
on, exactly?


Yeah that's why I was wondering the defition of punk music. I listen to some
bands in subgenres of punk and they are complex (not as much as prog but
much more than your average band.)
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Points: 721 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:37
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:


Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Ok....one point I have to make.


Progressive Punk is almost like an oxymoron to me.Punk is in direct
oppostion to everything prog is about and vice versa.


That's completely incorrect. What punk bands are you basing this opinion
on, exactly?


Yeah that's why I was wondering the defition of punk music. I listen to some
bands in subgenres of punk and they are complex (not as much as prog but
much more than your average band.)

There's no concrete definition of punk music, but the general concensus is that it's based mostly on lyrical content, not a lack of complexity as many people on this site seem to believe. Obviously many punk bands are musically similar, but anyone who's taken any time to explore the genre beyond the terrible pop-punk bands should know that there's much more to it than repeating the same three chords over and over again.
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A quick Google search for "progressive punk" reveals that the genre does, indeed, exist. Here's one of the many articles that came up on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronk
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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:42
Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

A quick Google search for "progressive punk" reveals that
the genre
does, indeed, exist. Here's one of the many articles that came up on
the subject: http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronk



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Points: 1777 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:43
^Pronk  now that is funny

Wow!! Devo were Pronk (and they didn't even know it)


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coheed and cambria arent progressive anything.
Gentle Gaint owns every prog band
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Points: 21618 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2005 at 04:58
Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Honestly, I dont hear much punk in Co&Ca's sound.  They're more like art rock or pomp-prog on the order of Styx or early Rush.  Their guitar parts are more like straight guitar rock rather than either the overly basic punk, or the overly complex prog. The closest sound I hear to punk on this record is certain passages that remind me of the Police. I just dont know what to make of them anymore.  The songs are too derivative to be real prog, but they are derivative of good stuff (i.e. Rush, Led Zep, et al.)  It seems they are caught somewhere between writing good, mature songs and just being a goofy high school band. 
Certain moments on "Good Apollo...."  make me think 'damn, thats good, they've really come around...' (such as The Willing Well IV - The Final Cut), while other moments make me shudder(such as the Willing Well II)

It's an enjoyable record, but nothing terribly special.  It's not prog-punk.

Maybe if you listened to many tracks of "In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth" your opinion will change.

I only know that album, and I don't hear ANY punk. A lot of "EMO", but no punk.
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BTW: On the whole prog/punk discussion, I think that a combination is possible. But in all the examples for this combination that I've heard so far, it's apparent that it isn't punk anymore. Take TMV for instance: They obviously have punk influences. But the TMV albums are not really punk anymore ... they focus on concept, structure and musical sophistication, and those elements go against everything that punk stands for. So all that's left is traces of punk.

 
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Originally posted by Zooka_Jesus Zooka_Jesus wrote:

coheed and cambria arent progressive anything.



Listen to them next time

Oh and Gentle Giant,whilst being pretty good,certainly don't 'own' (as you say) Floyd,Genesis,Yes,ELP,Tull,etc
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Originally posted by Zooka_Jesus Zooka_Jesus wrote:

coheed and cambria arent progressive anything.



Listen to them next time

Oh and Gentle Giant,whilst being pretty good,certainly don't 'own' (as you say) Floyd,Genesis,Yes,ELP,Tull,etc

Don't bother with Zooka, horza ... he can't even spell Gentle Giant correctly.
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Points: 760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2005 at 09:43
Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

I'm going to see the band on feb 1st and I go along with what Wikipedia has to say about the band :

Story elements and melodic themes are cohesively wrought throughout their albums to date. Co&Ca are perhaps the most visible arbiters of a new sort of "prog-rock opera" style for the 2000s. Notably, though, the futuristic sci-fi storyline on which all their music is based harkens back to the epic sound and feel of 1970s progressive-rock. However, Claudio Sanchez's singular lyrics reflect more raw language than many of these classic bands would have used


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This maybe of some interest to you...

I read in an interview that Coheed and Cambria had received a bootleg of Pink Floyds Infamous "Wall" tour. Sanchez said that they were going to use some elements like that to tell there story in upcoming performances.

As far as classification of genre goes (PROG EMO!(Sorry, I just find that idea halarious)) There is prog in them, as far as punk goes. No, there not punk. I would consider them alternetive.
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Points: 16913 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2005 at 14:38
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Originally posted by Zooka_Jesus Zooka_Jesus wrote:

coheed and cambria arent progressive anything.



Listen to them next time

Oh and Gentle Giant,whilst being pretty good,certainly don't 'own' (as you say) Floyd,Genesis,Yes,ELP,Tull,etc

Don't bother with Zooka, horza ... he can't even spell Gentle Giant correctly.

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