Are Coheed And Cambria "Progresive Punk"?
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Topic: Are Coheed And Cambria "Progresive Punk"?
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Subject: Are Coheed And Cambria "Progresive Punk"?
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 22:34
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What do you think? I read in some sites this description for them. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:19
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Ok....one point I have to make. Progressive Punk is almost like an oxymoron to me.Punk is in direct oppostion to everything prog is about and vice versa. And C&C are hard for me to classify.I enjoy their music,especially their newest album. I don't feel a need to label and classify everything I listen to.As long as I dig it,that's fine with me and I don't care what it's called. -------------  |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:25
Call them what you will, I just call them awful  ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:29
I'm agree with you, Prog And Punk??, it seems opposite. But if there is a form to called C&C I think this is the most aproximate. Maybe we are in front of a new genre of prog. Progressive Punk: Punk sound, Prog estructure. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:32
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I donīt listened to them a lot, but try with this track: "In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth". I think it's quite good. Maybe the production is not the best, but it's ok. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:32
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me neither, as long as it's not labeled "punk" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:43
Well, I think labels are neccesary, not for listen to the albums we have or classify everything we listen to, but to know a way to follow when we like a band. If I listen to Dream Theater itīs good that I know they are progressive metal if I like it, with the same label I can discover Pain Of Salvation, Symphony X, Threshold, Shadow Gallery, etc... ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 23:59
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Honestly, I dont hear much punk in Co&Ca's sound. They're
more like art rock or pomp-prog on the order of Styx or early
Rush. Their guitar parts are more like straight guitar rock
rather than either the overly basic punk, or the overly complex prog.
The closest sound I hear to punk on this record is certain passages
that remind me of the Police. I just dont know what to make of them
anymore. The songs are too derivative to be real prog, but they
are derivative of good stuff (i.e. Rush, Led Zep, et al.) It
seems they are caught somewhere between writing good, mature songs and
just being a goofy high school band. Certain moments on "Good Apollo...." make me think 'damn, thats good, they've really come around...' (such as The Willing Well IV - The Final Cut), while other moments make me shudder(such as the Willing Well II) It's an enjoyable record, but nothing terribly special. It's not prog-punk. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 00:14
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Maybe if you listened to many tracks of "In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth" your opinion will change. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Scrambled_Eggs
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 06:43
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Coheed and Cambria progressive punk? http://darthno.ytmnd.com/ - http://darthno.ytmnd.com/ ------------- And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime. I never said I was frightened of dying. |
Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 08:56
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By the way, why they still ain't in the archives. They are surely prog enough.
Just got the new album, sounds good. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 09:12
Nope, I've had that record for a long time. I stick to my point on this one. Just because there are simple guitar parts doesn't mean it's punk. It sounds more like just poppy hard rock, but with more complex songwriting in the case of Co&Ca. Maybe if you could show me a certain passage that reminds you of a punk band.... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 09:26
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Hell, there are Co&Ca songs that are more complex than some
"accepted" prog songs. The songwriting is adventurous,
risk-taking, and cohesive, and that's what matters to me.
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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 07:46
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I'm going to reserect this old thread. A friend brougt his MP3 player into work today saying he's going to play some hardcore punk and starts playing something that to my ears sounded alot like 80's Rush! I enquired who they were and I was told they're "Coheed & Cambria"? I thought they sounded alright and I manged to find some more MP3's online here http://music.download.com/coheedandcambria/3600-8709_32-100130220.html - http://music.download.com/coheedandcambria/3600-8709_32-1001 30220.html I also discoveded they are due to play some gigs over here in the new year (04/02/06 Brixton). Are this band worth going to see? Are they any good live? ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:40
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I thought they were emo or something. THis band really confuses me a lot. I do sort of enjoy their music a bit. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:41
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I'm going to see the band on feb 1st and I go along with what Wikipedia has to say about the band :
Story elements and melodic themes are cohesively wrought throughout their albums to date. Co&Ca are perhaps the most visible arbiters of a new sort of "prog-rock opera" style for the 2000s. Notably, though, the futuristic sci-fi storyline on which all their music is based harkens back to the epic sound and feel of 1970s progressive-rock. However, Claudio Sanchez's singular lyrics reflect more raw language than many of these classic bands would have used  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:59
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Agreed. I don't need to speak of my views again, as I have already done so in other threads, but I will say that they're not of a punk nature. They have a couple songs that would pass under the "pop-punk" banner, but even then, the songs are definitely beyond the said style. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 17:05
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wikipedia calls it "emo." Emo is a variation of punk.
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 17:15
In the explanation of punk music does it say that it is very easy to play and a minimal amount of chords? I always thought it was just faster music. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:23
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^Well the orginal punk bands (Pistols, the Clash, The Dammed, the Adverts, so on) were 3 chord rock and roll bands (in theory). I think most of the bands above and a lot of "punk" bands since, are more than 3 chord RnR. I don't fully understand a lot of these sub-genres of Punk (in fact I could say the same about metal, prog, jazz, etc) all I know is Co&Ca know more than 3 chords and I wouldn't call them straight 4 on the floor rock 'n' roll either, perhaps this is the definition of 'emo' who knows? I certainly don't ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:30
That's completely incorrect. Just because the most popular punk bands are/were very musically simple doesn't mean that's a fundamental characteristic of the genre. Out of curiosity, what punk bands are you basing your opinion on? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:32
Yeah that's why I was wondering the defition of punk music. I listen to some bands in subgenres of punk and they are complex (not as much as prog but much more than your average band.) ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:37
There's no concrete definition of punk music, but the general concensus is that it's based mostly on lyrical content, not a lack of complexity as many people on this site seem to believe. Obviously many punk bands are musically similar, but anyone who's taken any time to explore the genre beyond the terrible pop-punk bands should know that there's much more to it than repeating the same three chords over and over again. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/">
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:39
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A quick Google search for "progressive punk" reveals that the genre
does, indeed, exist. Here's one of the many articles that came up on
the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronk - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronk ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/">
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:42
Interesting. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 18:43
^Pronk  now that is funnyWow!! Devo were Pronk (and they didn't even know it) ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Zooka_Jesus
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 21:11
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coheed and cambria arent progressive anything. ------------- Gentle Gaint owns every prog band 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 04:58
I only know that album, and I don't hear ANY punk. A lot of "EMO", but no punk. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 05:03
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BTW: On the whole prog/punk discussion, I think that a combination is possible. But in all the examples for this combination that I've heard so far, it's apparent that it isn't punk anymore. Take TMV for instance: They obviously have punk influences. But the TMV albums are not really punk anymore ... they focus on concept, structure and musical sophistication, and those elements go against everything that punk stands for. So all that's left is traces of punk.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 06:21
Listen to them next time
Oh and Gentle Giant,whilst being pretty good,certainly don't 'own' (as you say) Floyd,Genesis,Yes,ELP,Tull,etc ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 06:29
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Don't bother with Zooka, horza ... he can't even spell Gentle Giant correctly. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 09:43
This maybe of some interest to you... I read in an interview that Coheed and Cambria had received a bootleg of Pink Floyds Infamous "Wall" tour. Sanchez said that they were going to use some elements like that to tell there story in upcoming performances. As far as classification of genre goes (PROG EMO!(Sorry, I just find that idea halarious)) There is prog in them, as far as punk goes. No, there not punk. I would consider them alternetive. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 14:38
Yea |