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    Posted: November 15 2005 at 13:20

Hello Prog Fans!

Here is a topic I find more interesting that the always : what do you prefer? Apple or Lemon,

Beer or Wine, Echoes or Supper's Ready.... When quality is there, no choice is necessary, it will

always be YOUR choice, and it will be good..

No, my topic is to know your advices about the always speaking (three times these last days...only

in Belgium!!) of Genesis original (and only audible, gna, gna, gna!!!) reformation.

I'm a always fan of the Gabriel Genesis era ('73), I just miss them for their first concert in

Belgium when they were still unknown in England, driving in an old car, sleeping where they can,

and so on...

My advice is that like great bands of this period, the risk is very great to be a flop : see ELP : their

lasts albums of this period were already limit, but 15 years later...Do they meet Phil Collins??!!

The only one which still plays the same style of music in the band is Steve Hackett; Gabriel, maybe,

but the three others?? They sold their souls to Phil Collins...and to money, easy money...music

for the masses... What's your advice??? A petition for or a petition against???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:02
From what I've heard, they're only talking about reforming for live concerts. As you say, if they recorded another album together, it may suffer from comparison with their earlier works.
If they do reform for a tour, I'll be there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:22
Originally posted by Epping Forrest Epping Forrest wrote:

Hello Prog Fans!

Here is a topic I find more interesting that the always : what do you prefer? Apple or Lemon,

Beer or Wine, Echoes or Supper's Ready.... When quality is there, no choice is necessary, it will

always be YOUR choice, and it will be good..

No, my topic is to know your advices about the always speaking (three times these last days...only

in Belgium!!) of Genesis original (and only audible, gna, gna, gna!!!) reformation.

I'm a always fan of the Gabriel Genesis era ('73), I just miss them for their first concert in

Belgium when they were still unknown in England, driving in an old car, sleeping where they can,

and so on...

My advice is that like great bands of this period, the risk is very great to be a flop : see ELP : their

lasts albums of this period were already limit, but 15 years later...Do they meet Phil Collins??!!

The only one which still plays the same style of music in the band is Steve Hackett; Gabriel, maybe,

but the three others?? They sold their souls to Phil Collins...and to money, easy money...music

for the masses... What's your advice??? A petition for or a petition against???

Epping Forrest

 



Why the hell do you say that they sold their souls to Phil Collins ? These kinds of statements are starting to piss me off. They didn't sell their souls anymore to Phil than Phil and Mike sold their souls to Tony Banks. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:17
Originally posted by erlenst erlenst wrote:

Originally posted by Epping Forrest Epping Forrest wrote:

Hello Prog Fans!

Here is a topic I find more interesting that the always : what do you prefer? Apple or Lemon,

Beer or Wine, Echoes or Supper's Ready.... When quality is there, no choice is necessary, it will

always be YOUR choice, and it will be good..

No, my topic is to know your advices about the always speaking (three times these last days...only

in Belgium!!) of Genesis original (and only audible, gna, gna, gna!!!) reformation.

I'm a always fan of the Gabriel Genesis era ('73), I just miss them for their first concert in

Belgium when they were still unknown in England, driving in an old car, sleeping where they can,

and so on...

My advice is that like great bands of this period, the risk is very great to be a flop : see ELP : their

lasts albums of this period were already limit, but 15 years later...Do they meet Phil Collins??!!

The only one which still plays the same style of music in the band is Steve Hackett; Gabriel, maybe,

but the three others?? They sold their souls to Phil Collins...and to money, easy money...music

for the masses... What's your advice??? A petition for or a petition against???

Epping Forrest

 



Why the hell do you say that they sold their souls to Phil Collins ? These kinds of statements are starting to piss me off. They didn't sell their souls anymore to Phil than Phil and Mike sold their souls to Tony Banks. Absolutely ridiculous.

Yup.  Nobody in Genesis was dragged into the '80s kicking or screaming.  The change in musical style was a mutual decision. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:23
The album wouldn't be bad if they wrote one now. In fact, I think it would be
incredible as always. Listen to Gabriel's stuff or Hackett's. It would be great
to have the band reunited and I'm sure they wouldn't release anything less
than great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:53
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

The album wouldn't be bad if they wrote one now. In fact, I think it would be
incredible as always. Listen to Gabriel's stuff or Hackett's. It would be great
to have the band reunited and I'm sure they wouldn't release anything less
than great.


I concur.  As far as a concert, I'd sell my house to see it.
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Cos his handshake keeps slipping
My hopes keep on dipping
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:59

Quote from Genesis's webiste.

Peter Gabriel: Ahh, we get on fine and that and well, as I said, I’ve been enjoying some of the old stuff more than I expected, but its not... right...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:36
Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Quote from Genesis's webiste.

Peter Gabriel: Ahh, we get on fine and that and well, as I said, I’ve been enjoying some of the old stuff more than I expected, but its not... right...

"It's" not right?  What's not right?  Come on, Peter...you know you want to!  It's time to come out of your shell and give the fans, the rest of Genesis AND yourself what they want.  You know you do too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:39
At least I hope he does know...For our sake...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:49
I'm not gonna hold my breath. 
Be nice to see them work together again and see what comes out of it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:20
I will sell my soul to see them.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:22

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

From what I've heard, they're only talking about reforming for live concerts.

My understanding is the opposite - Gabriel will do it only if there's new music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:51
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

From what I've heard, they're only talking about reforming for live concerts.

My understanding is the opposite - Gabriel will do it only if there's new music.

That's what I heard too.  I hope they make a new album!  Besides, can you imagine Gabriel singing the end of the Musical Box?  He wouldn't have to dress up!

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 03:09
Originally posted by lunaticviolist lunaticviolist wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

From what I've heard, they're only talking about reforming for live concerts.

My understanding is the opposite - Gabriel will do it only if there's new music.

That's what I heard too.  I hope they make a new album!  Besides, can you imagine Gabriel singing the end of the Musical Box?  He wouldn't have to dress up!

 

I really hope they'd make a new album. With some daring, progressive influence by Gabriel and Hackett.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 06:46
 I'm only 26, so I didn't have the chance to see the classic Genesis on stage. I don't want to miss their tour, but a new album is another question.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 08:05

I would love a new album if they were preperd to give it all of their musical talants and be adventures, with peter and steve in the band that last one might not be quite a problem.

If they do tour, I'm first in line for tickets

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:27

Don't do it!!!

The moment is long gone and nobody from the band has done any work in recent years to indicate that such a reunion would produce anything other than an overproduced, adult-oriented pop album. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:42
I would love to just see these guys live.  Sure, an album would be great (hopefully), but I'd be quite happy with just some concerts.  That is, as long as Mr. collins sticks behind the drums and Peter sings.  I wouldn't be interested in any live performances of material post The Lamb either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2005 at 09:44

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I really hope they'd make a new album. With some daring, progressive influence by Gabriel and Hackett.

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 From Gabriel and Hackett?. Why don´t you also remember that Gabriel never played a single note for that so called Gabriel-Era-Genesis besides some flute here and there?, and remember that Hackett was a secondary member as far as songwriting goes. The strength of the progressive aproach in early Genesis came from Banks and Rutherford who wrote most of the music in that period.

 In my opinion Gabriel kept trying to make artistic music after the 80´s only because he still had the hunger to be recognized not only for his vocal abilities. Plus, go wonder how much of the music and ideas in his albums belong to him, with such a large number of invited musicians.

 Many things are said about Hackett and people love bashing Collins for making POP, disregarding it is good pop (at least until "But seriously"). However, everyone forgets about his first two albums which contain great songs away from the mainstream, and forget about his performance in "Brand X" where he proves to be a superb drummer. Hackett on the other hand, is still trying to get the monkey out of his back making albums with the same sound of "The fountain of salmacis".

 If a new Genesis album is going to be good, it will be not only because of Gabriel and Hackett...Or what?, are they gonna play drums, bass and write the whole music just to not let the other three put a single second of ordinary music?. Get real ¡¡. What about "The Barry Williams show" ??. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2005 at 10:05
I think what Moogtron means is that we hope Gabriel and Hackett encourage Banks and Rutherford to create music in the progressive style that they did before hackett left the band.
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