GENESIS : Reformation or not?
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Topic: GENESIS : Reformation or not?
Posted By: Epping Forrest
Subject: GENESIS : Reformation or not?
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 13:20
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Hello Prog Fans! Here is a topic I find more interesting that the always : what do you prefer? Apple or Lemon, Beer or Wine, Echoes or Supper's Ready.... When quality is there, no choice is necessary, it will always be YOUR choice, and it will be good.. No, my topic is to know your advices about the always speaking (three times these last days...only in Belgium!!) of Genesis original (and only audible, gna, gna, gna!!!) reformation. I'm a always fan of the Gabriel Genesis era ('73), I just miss them for their first concert in Belgium when they were still unknown in England, driving in an old car, sleeping where they can, and so on... My advice is that like great bands of this period, the risk is very great to be a flop : see ELP : their lasts albums of this period were already limit, but 15 years later...Do they meet Phil Collins??!! The only one which still plays the same style of music in the band is Steve Hackett; Gabriel, maybe, but the three others?? They sold their souls to Phil Collins...and to money, easy money...music for the masses... What's your advice??? A petition for or a petition against??? Epping Forrest
------------- You can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire once the flame begins to catch the wind will blow it higher Peter Gabriel, from Biko |
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:02
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From what I've heard, they're only talking about reforming for live
concerts. As you say, if they recorded another album together, it may
suffer from comparison with their earlier works. If they do reform for a tour, I'll be there. |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:22
Why the hell do you say that they sold their souls to Phil Collins ? These kinds of statements are starting to piss me off. They didn't sell their souls anymore to Phil than Phil and Mike sold their souls to Tony Banks. Absolutely ridiculous. |
Epping Forrest wrote:Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:17
Yup. Nobody in Genesis was dragged into the '80s kicking or screaming. The change in musical style was a mutual decision. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:23
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The album wouldn't be bad if they wrote one now. In fact, I think it would be
incredible as always. Listen to Gabriel's stuff or Hackett's. It would be great to have the band reunited and I'm sure they wouldn't release anything less than great. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Rael72
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:53
I concur. As far as a concert, I'd sell my house to see it. ------------- My grip must be flipping Cos his handshake keeps slipping My hopes keep on dipping And his lips keep on smiling all the time |
Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:59
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Quote from Genesis's webiste. Peter Gabriel: Ahh, we get on fine and that and well, as I said, I’ve been enjoying some of the old stuff more than I expected, but its not... right... |
Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:36
"It's" not right? What's not right? Come on, Peter...you know you want to! It's time to come out of your shell and give the fans, the rest of Genesis AND yourself what they want. You know you do too. ------------- Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced... |
Posted By: B3Brad
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:39
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At least I hope he does know...For our sake... ------------- 'So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?' 'You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?' |
Posted By: Lorak
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:49
I'm not gonna hold my breath.  Be nice to see them work together again and see what comes out of it! ------------- Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry. Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost |
Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:20
I will sell my soul to see them. 
------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:22
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My understanding is the opposite - Gabriel will do it only if there's new music. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:51
That's what I heard too. I hope they make a new album! Besides, can you imagine Gabriel singing the end of the Musical Box? He wouldn't have to dress up!
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 03:09
I really hope they'd make a new album. With some daring, progressive influence by Gabriel and Hackett. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 06:46
| I'm only 26, so I didn't have the chance to see the classic Genesis on stage. I don't want to miss their tour, but a new album is another question. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 08:05
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I would love a new album if they were preperd to give it all of their musical talants and be adventures, with peter and steve in the band that last one might not be quite a problem. If they do tour, I'm first in line for tickets ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:27
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Don't do it!!! The moment is long gone and nobody from the band has done any work in recent years to indicate that such a reunion would produce anything other than an overproduced, adult-oriented pop album. |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:42
| I would love to just see these guys live. Sure, an album would be great (hopefully), but I'd be quite happy with just some concerts. That is, as long as Mr. collins sticks behind the drums and Peter sings. I wouldn't be interested in any live performances of material post The Lamb either. |
Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 09:44
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I really hope they'd make a new album. With some daring, progressive influence by Gabriel and Hackett. [/QUOTE] From Gabriel and Hackett?. Why don´t you also remember that Gabriel never played a single note for that so called Gabriel-Era-Genesis besides some flute here and there?, and remember that Hackett was a secondary member as far as songwriting goes. The strength of the progressive aproach in early Genesis came from Banks and Rutherford who wrote most of the music in that period. In my opinion Gabriel kept trying to make artistic music after the 80´s only because he still had the hunger to be recognized not only for his vocal abilities. Plus, go wonder how much of the music and ideas in his albums belong to him, with such a large number of invited musicians. Many things are said about Hackett and people love bashing Collins for making POP, disregarding it is good pop (at least until "But seriously"). However, everyone forgets about his first two albums which contain great songs away from the mainstream, and forget about his performance in "Brand X" where he proves to be a superb drummer. Hackett on the other hand, is still trying to get the monkey out of his back making albums with the same sound of "The fountain of salmacis". If a new Genesis album is going to be good, it will be not only because of Gabriel and Hackett...Or what?, are they gonna play drums, bass and write the whole music just to not let the other three put a single second of ordinary music?. Get real ¡¡. What about "The Barry Williams show" ??. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 10:05
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I think what Moogtron means is that we hope Gabriel and Hackett encourage Banks and Rutherford to create music in the progressive style that they did before hackett left the band. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Soulman
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 12:44
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I think it's definetely possible for Genesis to make a reunion. At this point, I think as old men, all of the members of Genesis wouldn't really feel the need to produce any pop music to appease the billboard charts and the general masses. What's the point in trying to sell your self as pop rock group of 60-somethings and 50-somethings? I agree with sleeper and Moogtron, that I hope that they do the logical and fair thing and try going back to a "progressive rock" style. I don't really expect anything that is totally like Pre-Wind and Wuthering, I mean Genesis could take on avant garde music or jazz fusion and I wouldn't really mind; in fact I'd love it! I think they've been avoiding the fans who loved the original line-up. Genesis just doesn't feel complete without the whole team. And besides, just because time suggests that the pattern will never change, once you've been "progressive" you'll NEVER be "unprogressive."  |
Posted By: Epping Forrest
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 12:53
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or : to create music....end! ------------- You can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire once the flame begins to catch the wind will blow it higher Peter Gabriel, from Biko |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 13:03
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I'd prefer a tour with the old stuff (will Peter fit in 'the flower'? Maybe after touring they could think about a new CD with new material. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: crackedactor
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 13:25
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Dont think anyones has sold out.....most of theses guys have been doing music for 40 years so why cant they have a bit of fun ?Just like Pink Floyd they dont owe us fans anything ! ------------- I'm a Highway Starrrr....oh yes i am..!!!! |
Posted By: Prosciutto
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 13:26
It would be funny watching Gabriel sing "I can't dance"  ------------- Don't be a prog-hole, please... |