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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:39 |
I bought "Red" 10 years after its original release. Listening to it for the first time was a better experience than listening to "Larks Tongues in Aspic" - but, today, I prefer "Larks..." to "Red".
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"He's a man of the past and one of the present"
PETER HAMMILL
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salmacis
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 12:16 |
I'd say it's King Crimson's best and most consistent album after 'ITCOTCK', as it has the most straightforward, and clearly structured, songs since then. It actually has the same format as 'ITCOTCK', with 4 straight songs and 1 experimental piece, in the same order- side 1 has three rock songs, side 1 has an experimental piece then another more straight song.
'Red', and in fact the John Wetton period in general, still sounds amazingly fresh and vibrant today, possibly due to the downplaying of keyboards in this era, that whilst I love keyboards, were very much a typically 70s phenomena.
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Orbert
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 13:48 |
Red is still my favorite King Crimson album, followed closely by USA. That's probably not a coincidence. I love that lineup. I'll admit to skipping "Providence" once in a while, if I'm not feeling mellow enough for it.
Someone said there's a live track on Red; I'm assuming they meant "Providence", but I always thought "Providence" was live in the studio, which isn't quite the same as live before an audience.
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In and around the lake...
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 13:55 |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 14:03 |
Red is slightly overrated, IMO. I like ITCOTCK, LTIA and S&BB much better. Still a excellent album, though!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Logos
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Joined: March 08 2005
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 14:16 |
Red is BRILLIANT.
It can't possibly be overrated.
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:14 |
It's my favorite Crimso album. There's not a weak track.
Orbert wrote:
Someone said there's a live track on Red; I'm assuming they meant "Providence", but I always thought "Providence" was live in the studio, which isn't quite the same as live before an audience.
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Providence was recorded in the studio (in Providence as a matter of fact).
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Suki
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:26 |
Funny thing, I happen to listen to Red right now and am humming One More Red Nightmare. Rofl.
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:28 |
It wouldn't be in my top 100. No album King Crimson did excites me me much, though a few individual tracks are excellent. VDGG and ELP have the same effect; I can take them or leave them.
It's all down to opinion, in the end.
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John Gargo
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 18:18 |
Larks' Tongues in Aspic / Starless and Bible Black / Red
The three greatest King Crimson albums, and they form a trilogy of sorts...
Larks', my personal favorite of the bunch, is perhaps the "sloppiest" of the albums, showing that the band is still feeling their way through this stunning approach to prog. The album is bookmarked by the title track instrumental, split in two, and Fripp's manic guitar licks and the overall abrasive sound of the compositions make this a very threatening album.
Starless and Bible Black has the band cleaning up their sound a bit, perfecting their approach to this material. Although it is TECHNICALLY a better record, it is missing a lot of the menace of its predecessor, and so I think I enjoy it slightly less for that reason. Still amazing stuff, but we're ranking masterpieces here so there has to be 2nds and 3rds.
Red is the culmination of this amazing period of King Crimson, and has them perfecting the style that they have developed over the course of the last two albums. It is the most assured from the bunch, the most confident in its vision, and it also recaptures that sense of menace that Larks had. Some of King Crimson's best is to be found on this album.
I love this band.
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SlipperFink
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 01:53 |
maidenrulez wrote:
It is a really weak album without any special
moments....The mars volta shows King crimson how it should be done on
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This is the funniest thing I have read here yet.
And that is saying a lot.
SM.
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pero
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 02:38 |
Listen to Islands. That is the masterpiece.
After Islands, Larks tongues in aspic, and Red are my favorites.
Only 21 century is exellent on ITCOCK. The rest is average
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richardh
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 16:49 |
pero wrote:
Listen to Islands. That is the masterpiece.
After Islands, Larks tongues in aspic, and Red are my favorites.
Only 21 century is exellent on ITCOCK. The rest is average
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Sweetmonkeylove
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:23 |
I've gotta say that i didnt get into king crimson for ages, (for some unknown reason). Then i made one of the best decisions of my life. I bought Larks tongues AND Red AT THE SAME TIME! I wondered what wetton, bruford, cross etc. stuff was like and both have been constantly in every CD player i have and in the car (mainly Red here). Its all i've been playing on guitar and all that i whistle when bored. Say no more.
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Isn't this the worst signature ever? I mean really?
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:51 |
greenback wrote:
Kurt cobain loved this record
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Greenback you got there before me but I will added "reported liked" - Sid Smith the Krimson biographer tells me he made a special effort to nail this story and found nothing in print to confirm - although Nirvana's former manager told Sid it was probably one of Cobain's favourites.
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zabriskiepoint
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:54 |
This must be one of the greatest albums of all time. Some one mentioned Lark's Tongue in Aspic being better than this one, and i just have to say i don't get Lark's Tongue in Aspic, as an album, as a group of songs, as a song, or as a jingle. I have it on vinyl and CD, and when I listen to it I only get strange noises, a guitar that barely appears, and Wetton's awful voice. I cannot get the flow of the album either.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 18:13 |
I have Red in my car at the moment and the album immediately follows
Mahavishnu Orchestra's "The Inner Mounting Flame" and it's seemless, it
follows on so well after that album. "One More Red Nightmare" is
an amazing tune.
But I have to say, "The Inner Mounting Flame" is preferred by me, but it is by a different band.
I do have to say I like Lizard though and In The Court Of The Crimson
King. Larks Tongue In Aspic is excellent too. I cannot
decide which one I prefer.
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Wormboy
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 18:58 |
maidenrulez wrote:
It is a really weak album without any special
moments....The mars volta shows King crimson how it should be done
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Incredible that somebody would really write this.
Yes, Red is truly incredible. I almost cried the first time I heard Starless
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Shaman
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 20:15 |
RED is a true masterpiece.
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Raff
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Posted: November 04 2005 at 02:33 |
RED is great, perhaps the best of the Fripp-Wetton-Bruford-Cross period. LTIA is also an excellent album, but in my opinion somewhat marred by Wetton's tentative vocals (he wasn't used to singing lead yet, and it shows). On the other hand, he sings very well on RED, and the musicianship is amazing throughout. However, my favourite KC album remains their '69 groundbreaking debut.
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