Red is one of the best albums I’ve heard.
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Topic: Red is one of the best albums I’ve heard.
Posted By: Man Overboard
Subject: Red is one of the best albums I’ve heard.
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:15
I can only imagine would it must've been like to buy this record at a
store, on the day of its release, and take it home, listening to it for
the first time, with no previous knowledge of its awesomeness or future
legendary status... ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:16
I can only imagine what it would been like to get into Genesis- Foxtrot on the day it was released! 
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:18
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Red truly is one of the best albums I've ever heard. Why, when I first got it I listened to it for a month straight. ------------- 
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:20
| I didn't know it was legendary when I bought it, I just knew that it was supposed to be good. I heard it for the first time about 15 years ago, the second KC album I'd ever heard (ITCOTCK was the first and I wasn't impressed at the time). Now, I'd rank it among my top 10 favorite albums of all time. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:46
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Red being one of my first albums by King Crimson and prog music in
general, i found it really interesting and excelent piece of work.
heck, if it wasn't for Red maybe I wouldn't be in here talking to you thanks Red  .......but still... when i heard ITCOTCK i fell in love with King Crimson and left Red in the dust for quite some time
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:03
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Red is an incredible album though I would take Lark's Tongues in Aspic over
it. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:30
Yeah, you're right- but at the time I was young and stupid and just thought it was an awesome album. |
Man Overboard wrote:Posted By: -bp-
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:32
I made the mistake of getting both in the court, and red at the same time WOW.  both unbelieveable albums which got me hooked on prog------------- 
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Posted By: `Ubu
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:34
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a great album by a great band .. thanks to this record im hooked in prog right now .. ------------- "..So what´s the speed of dark?.." |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:40
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Indeed... That was my first KC, and I fell in love with it instantly ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 22:29
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i think it is too overrated. i would say half the album is good. this record started the alternative rock genre. kurt cobain loved this record ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 23:44
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Starless - my favorite prog song ever and I'm not even a Crimso junkie ------------- 
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 01:54
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I think that "Red" is best of their official studio albums (though theres one live track on it). Some of their live recordings from that line-up, which were released officially later, are still better musically, though they have a bit poorer sound quality!
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Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 01:56
| Without a doubt. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 02:33
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VERY TRUE |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:15
It is a really weak album without any special moments....The mars volta shows King crimson how it should be done on Frances the mute  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:25
| Red has very good music on it. I loved it from the very first notes. It was immediately: "wow"! |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:28
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BTW maiden has instrumentals that are much more progressive than RED which had such a weak riff i had to laugh the first time i heard it ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 04:11
I agree. Red is excellent but Lark's Tongues had a bigger impact on me. |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:36
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The album is OK but personally I prefer music that is faster and not so depressing. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:39
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I bought "Red" 10 years after its original release. Listening to it for the first time was a better experience than listening to "Larks Tongues in Aspic" - but, today, I prefer "Larks..." to "Red". ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 12:16
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I'd say it's King Crimson's best and most consistent album after 'ITCOTCK', as it has the most straightforward, and clearly structured, songs since then. It actually has the same format as 'ITCOTCK', with 4 straight songs and 1 experimental piece, in the same order- side 1 has three rock songs, side 1 has an experimental piece then another more straight song. 'Red', and in fact the John Wetton period in general, still sounds amazingly fresh and vibrant today, possibly due to the downplaying of keyboards in this era, that whilst I love keyboards, were very much a typically 70s phenomena.
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Posted By: Orbert
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 13:48
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Red is still my favorite King Crimson album, followed closely by USA. That's probably not a coincidence. I love that lineup. I'll admit to skipping "Providence" once in a while, if I'm not feeling mellow enough for it. Someone said there's a live track on Red; I'm assuming they meant "Providence", but I always thought "Providence" was live in the studio, which isn't quite the same as live before an audience. ------------- In and around the lake... 
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 13:55
I'm not too impressed with the title track, but the rest are top-notch ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 14:03
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Red is slightly overrated, IMO. I like ITCOTCK, LTIA and S&BB much better. Still a excellent album, though! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 14:16
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Red is BRILLIANT.
It can't possibly be overrated. |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:14
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It's my favorite Crimso album. There's not a weak track.
Providence was recorded in the studio (in Providence as a matter of fact). ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:26
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Funny thing, I happen to listen to Red right now and am humming One More Red Nightmare. Rofl.
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:28
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It wouldn't be in my top 100. No album King Crimson did excites me me much, though a few individual tracks are excellent. VDGG and ELP have the same effect; I can take them or leave them. It's all down to opinion, in the end. |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 18:18
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Larks' Tongues in Aspic / Starless and Bible Black / Red The three greatest King Crimson albums, and they form a trilogy of sorts... Larks', my personal favorite of the bunch, is perhaps the "sloppiest" of the albums, showing that the band is still feeling their way through this stunning approach to prog. The album is bookmarked by the title track instrumental, split in two, and Fripp's manic guitar licks and the overall abrasive sound of the compositions make this a very threatening album. Starless and Bible Black has the band cleaning up their sound a bit, perfecting their approach to this material. Although it is TECHNICALLY a better record, it is missing a lot of the menace of its predecessor, and so I think I enjoy it slightly less for that reason. Still amazing stuff, but we're ranking masterpieces here so there has to be 2nds and 3rds. Red is the culmination of this amazing period of King Crimson, and has them perfecting the style that they have developed over the course of the last two albums. It is the most assured from the bunch, the most confident in its vision, and it also recaptures that sense of menace that Larks had. Some of King Crimson's best is to be found on this album. I love this band. |
Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 01:53
This is the funniest thing I have read here yet. And that is saying a lot. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 02:38
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Listen to Islands. That is the masterpiece. After Islands, Larks tongues in aspic, and Red are my favorites. Only 21 century is exellent on ITCOCK. The rest is average |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 16:49
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Posted By: Sweetmonkeylove
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:23
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I've gotta say that i didnt get into king crimson for ages, (for some unknown reason). Then i made one of the best decisions of my life. I bought Larks tongues AND Red AT THE SAME TIME! I wondered what wetton, bruford, cross etc. stuff was like and both have been constantly in every CD player i have and in the car (mainly Red here). Its all i've been playing on guitar and all that i whistle when bored. Say no more. ------------- Isn't this the worst signature ever? I mean really? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:51
Greenback you got there before me but I will added "reported liked" - Sid Smith the Krimson biographer tells me he made a special effort to nail this story and found nothing in print to confirm - although Nirvana's former manager told Sid it was probably one of Cobain's favourites. |
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:54
| This must be one of the greatest albums of all time. Some one mentioned Lark's Tongue in Aspic being better than this one, and i just have to say i don't get Lark's Tongue in Aspic, as an album, as a group of songs, as a song, or as a jingle. I have it on vinyl and CD, and when I listen to it I only get strange noises, a guitar that barely appears, and Wetton's awful voice. I cannot get the flow of the album either. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 18:13
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I have Red in my car at the moment and the album immediately follows
Mahavishnu Orchestra's "The Inner Mounting Flame" and it's seemless, it
follows on so well after that album. "One More Red Nightmare" is
an amazing tune. But I have to say, "The Inner Mounting Flame" is preferred by me, but it is by a different band. I do have to say I like Lizard though and In The Court Of The Crimson King. Larks Tongue In Aspic is excellent too. I cannot decide which one I prefer. -------------   
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Posted By: Wormboy
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 18:58
Incredible that somebody would really write this. Yes, Red is truly incredible. I almost cried the first time I heard Starless |
Posted By: Shaman
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 20:15
| RED is a true masterpiece. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 02:33
| RED is great, perhaps the best of the Fripp-Wetton-Bruford-Cross period. LTIA is also an excellent album, but in my opinion somewhat marred by Wetton's tentative vocals (he wasn't used to singing lead yet, and it shows). On the other hand, he sings very well on RED, and the musicianship is amazing throughout. However, my favourite KC album remains their '69 groundbreaking debut. |
Posted By: Orbert
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 16:20
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I have quite a bit of King Crimson, and love it all, but I'll admit to not knowing much about them. One of my favorite tracks is "Asbury Park" from USA, and I see in the liner notes that it was recorded in Asbury Park, NJ. From these two examples, I'm guessing that it was a "thing" they did, with the free-form improvs simply named for wherever they were recorded? That's pretty cool. ------------- In and around the lake...
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 18:25
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Please don't shoot me, but I have yet to listen to the album Red! I really want it, but I just havn't gotten to buying it yet. -------------  
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:08
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As much as I looooooooooove Crimson (my fav band), red inst one of my favorites...I think it would be if One more red nightmare wouldnt have that sax solo...I dont really like them ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:35
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It took me many years to get into what I still feels is a severely overated album... Lark's Toungue is the my all time favorite and definitive Crimson album....
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Hiwatter
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 05:45
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Great album, but a bit too straightforward to me. Especially second and third track, which are very similar in structure and not very much inventive. But Starless is a true classic |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 06:50
I'm listening to the Great Deceiver, the 4CD live box set and on CD1, a concert in Providence 30 June 1974, there is the track "Providence" that seems to be a longer version of what appears on Red, its almost note for note except I suspect some of David Cross' violin has been removed or else faded down in the "Red" mix, and maybe some mellotron was added. I haven't read the comprehensive booklet with the set that may tell me this - anyone know? Crimson did similar on "Starless and Bible Black" where songs from an Amsterdam concert were then overdubbed in the studio. The original (and IMHO better) versions appear on "The Night Watch". I think Crimson live was a different, better beast than the studio version. My favourite Crimson studio album remains Larks Tongues but the production is I think poor, whereas Red manages better to capture some of the energy they showed on stage. I did see Crimson live in their 1981 "Discipline" incarnation, but sadly was too young for the Larks Tongues - Red period. |
Posted By: jfbaland
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:49
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Hi all did you ever listen to the "Red" version of NIACIN on Time Crunch. Better than KC A KC aficionada ! |