Metallica and Iron Maiden in ProgRelated?

I don't find Metallica very prog-related...but Iron Maiden's  X-Factor Brave New World, and Dance of Death are really melodic and complex...I would consider that to be prog related.

I really don't find anything about metallica prog at all, 'cept for Master of Puppets (the song, that is).  They're just another metal band. 

Edited by Mad Bass Player

Christ anything could be prog-related to you people. It always like "There's this band I like and they once did a long song and once their drummer played a song in this weird time signature, Oh My God prog related!!!!" I've probably listened to a thousand bands that are prog-related.

To name a few: The Doors, The Who, The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, Cream, Crosby Stills and Nash, Grand Funk Railroad, Steely Dan, Sonic Youth, The Band, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers.

If we are added Maiden and Metallica, we'd surely have to add these.

For those of you who continue to mention the Rime of the Ancient Mariner: Listen to Shadow Gallery - Ghostship (on their album Carved in Stone), it's MUCH more progressive.

Having said that, the song might be called Proto-Prog, but not the entire album Powerslave - the better part of it is good "true" Power Metal.

BTW: Early Metallica is hardly Proto-Prog or Prog Related IMO ... on Ride the Lightning they started to experiment with interludes, sophisticated solos and strange harmonies. Master of Puppets is THE Proto-ProgMetal album.

The Minstrel wrote: Christ anything could be prog-related to you people. It always like "There's this band I like and they once did a long song and once their drummer played a song in this weird time signature, Oh My God prog related!!!!" I've probably listened to a thousand bands that are prog-related. To name a few: The Doors, The Who, The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, Cream, Crosby Stills and Nash, Grand Funk Railroad, Steely Dan, Sonic Youth, The Band, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers. If we are added Maiden and Metallica, we'd surely have to add these.

All these things have to be thought before include Queen, Deep purple, Supertramp, etc... Now the door is open. I prefer the site only with prog, absolute prog, but now there is prog related, and Metallica and Maiden are prog related. So they deserve to be included.

(Sorry for my english)

The Ryan wrote: I think Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg have to be included in prog-related. Thoughts?

i agree and then NWA and Public Enemy

The Minstrel wrote: Christ anything could be prog-related to you people. It always like "There's this band I like and they once did a long song and once their drummer played a song in this weird time signature, Oh My God prog related!!!!" I've probably listened to a thousand bands that are prog-related. To name a few: The Doors, The Who, The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, Cream, Crosby Stills and Nash, Grand Funk Railroad, Steely Dan, Sonic Youth, The Band, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers. If we are added Maiden and Metallica, we'd surely have to add these.

Don't forget Slayer, AC/DC & Motörhead

MikeEnRegalia wrote: The Ryan wrote: I think Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg have to be included in prog-related. Thoughts? If your posts only were as complex as your avatar.

Your simplistic response is almost as bad as my internet sarcasm.

It's easy to make jokes by saying "Oh, let's include Mariah Carey", but the fact is that Metallica and Iron Maiden have an enormous importance in the formation of Prog-Metal. It's enough with reading the biography of the most importants bands of Prog-Metal like Dream Theater or Opeth. They confess having an strong influence of both bands, and this is the rule, not the exception in the majority of progmetal bands. Even though bands like motorhead, judas priest and similar aren't mentioned with the same frequency; they aren't a progmetal influence like Metallica and Maiden. Include both bands in Prog-Related or in a kind of subgenre that we can called "Proto-ProgMetal", is not an option, it's a duty. Some of you are against it, I understand it, but it's obvious that there is a strong connection between these bands and the history of Prog (Prog-Metal in concrete). Don't forget that Steve Harris was a teenager fan of Genesis, Yes and Jethro Tull, for example; or that Cliff Burton was a fan of Rush (his favourite bassist was Geddy Lee). Obviously these facts are reflected in their music (like I said before, in the early period of their music).

MikeEnRegalia wrote: The Ryan wrote: I think Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg have to be included in prog-related. Thoughts? If your posts only were as complex as your avatar.

Sorry, but I think Tool gets a little too much credit for being a little more than typical. They aren't bad, definitely not, but when people orgasm over their music because they are slightly complex and interesting, it annoys me. They belong in prog-related, which is where I think Iron Maiden and Metallica should be. Iron Maiden because they didn't really do anything prog related on purpose, they just stuck to their genre, which was straight heavy metal. Heavy metal can include keyboards and longish songs. Metallica was just thrash. Dragonforce does thrashy stuff with long suns and keyboards, but we don't have them here because they were simply thrash. Thrash is known to incorporate some keyboards looking back.

Now once again, Death is prog because they completely defied the genre they created and had a VERY original sound by TSOP. The ywere prog. Tool and Iron Maiden and Metallica, while all pretty good bands, are not prog...just cause we like them doesn't make them prog. They all seem prog-related to me.