Metallica and Iron Maiden in ProgRelated?
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Topic: Metallica and Iron Maiden in ProgRelated?
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Subject: Metallica and Iron Maiden in ProgRelated?
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:45
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I think Metallica and Iron Maiden's early period (1983-1989 in case of Metallica; 1980-1988 in case of Maiden) have to be included in the prog-related subgenre. Thoughts? ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:48
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I have been screaming bout adding Maiden for ages.... 2 lazy for adding them myself, actually... Metallica should be added 2 crap-related.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:50
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They are Prog related, so, no bother ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:52
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Yeah, Metallica's "master of Puppets" is kinda prog-influenced... Maiden's Prog influence is almost obvious (in lyrics and sometimes in the "epic" sonic landscape) ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:53
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Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:55
i have seen both bands in concert,if i had said to their supporters that they were prog related they would have chased me  lets just include judas priest too,sad wings of destiny is a prog related track,and i'm sure we can find a reason to allow motorhead in as well these are bands i like by the way but they ain't prog,no way jose ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:57
In fact Master of Puppets is Proto-Prog, not Prog Related. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:02
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Then add Black Sabbath too. Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Master Of Reality are prog, not to mention the last two albums of the Ozzy era. AND DEATH ------------- 
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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:04
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7th Son of a 7th Son maybe- there is a few parts in this album... but exept that, dont think so. ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:06
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Progressive IM albums - 7th Son of a 7th Son, Somewhere in Time, Brave New World, Dance of Death... And ALL the other albums have strong prog influences!!! Metallica - just ONE album... Maiden deserve 2 be here more then Purple!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:07
Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son". ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:15
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Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:18
Yes, that song is awesome ... especially if you take into account when it was written (long before any modern prog metal). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:53
Totally agree. It could be considered Proto-ProgMetal, as the same form of Deep Purple is Proto-Prog. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:55
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:58
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:22
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They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:25
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Motorhead ARE prog-related. Lemmy used to be a member of Hawkwind ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:27
I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:28
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:31
No you don't agree with me! I'm not talking about Tool!.Fishy just used them as an example. We are talking about Iron Maiden and Metallica!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:48
Metallica, Iron Maiden (and Tool too) have to be in the Prog Related list. That's all. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:08
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Tool IS progressive metal,and should not be in prog related. Metallica is prog related,just on the basis of their albums Master of Puppets and And Justice for All(which is pretty progressive) Maiden is definitely prog related(I think they are one of the forefathers of progressive metal).Important IM albums which lend to the genre are their debut album Iron Maiden to their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. -------------  |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:24
And whats with the last 2 cd's, Jody? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:25
Brave New World and Dance of Death? ------------- |
Posted By: misiu
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:27
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I think the presence of Maiden and especially Metallica on this site would be far fetched. Admitedly they show a bit prog influences on some songs but this holds true for a lot of bands. Many other classical bands would deserve to be here before Maiden and Metallica : Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Rainbow (Dio period), Dio etc. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:39
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Iron maiden was influenced by: Yes,genesis,golden earing,nektar and king crimson to name a few. They have also influenced alot of the bands wich is today regarded as prog metal on this site. I actually read in a metal magazine that maiden suck because they are too progressive Anyways listen to the albums like Killers Number of the beast Powerslave Seventh son of a seventh son X-FACTOR Brave New World and Dance of death for the obvious progressive references ...take paticulary note of forexample Clive Burrs drumming on the earliest albums...very unusual drum patterns that i have never heard any standard heavy metal band use...and maiden has simply alot of fantastic progressive elements listen to forexample the timechange on Genghis khan...no metal band in the world is even close to manage to pull of that thing so thight and make it work so thigtly. Also the song structure on the latest albums has turned into more epics wich feuture full blown orchestral parts combined with heavy parts combined with sudden timechanges combined...As for black sabbsath and led zeppelin references i would say that maiden has developed song structures that those two bands could only dream of... MAIDEN MUST BE INCLUDED AND I WOULD LIKE TO WRITE THE BIO ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: RAMM:ELL:ZEE
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:56
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I think alot of the bands on here are stretching it abit...Prog Related could include almost anything But then I'd think Megadeth are more proggy than either... |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:58
Yes indeedy ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:32
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maiden its ok, they have a lot of prog influences, but metallica is a crappy group with a really bad singer... ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:36
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Replace ok with awesome or great, and that statement will be perfect!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:42
AND POWERSLAVE!!!! Metallica's progressive albums are from 1984-1988, IMO. If we add Metallica, we should add them under "Proto-Prog Metal", maybe? ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:45
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Well, WE WILL NOT ADD METALLICOCK!!!!! Proto-prog metal is dedicated for Maiden (and some other band, but NOT Metallicock Powerslave isnt as porgressive as the albums I meantioned up there, me tihnks... There's the powerful Rime of the Ancient Mariner, though ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:46
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Agree! Steve Harris said that he used to listen to Genesis, Yes etc. in his teen years.
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Posted By: lmollea
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:46
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For Iron Maiden I see no one quoted "The Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner"... 13 minutes of proto-prog-metal...
For Metallica... proto-prog it's a strong definition, for me... Some albums (Master Of Puppets, Ride The Lightning, And Justice For All), maybe. But it could be a little bit forced. They're more simply metal, more recently turning toward grunge, and the latest album they turned to crap; some Metallica heavy guitar solo are something I've never seen in what is called prog. But then - no flame please - where does prog ends and other kind of music begins? ------------- Semm che, semm che settà giò in del bar / a cercà l'universo nel bucèer del Cynar cosmonauti al tavolino cun la sigareta in bùca / che vemm a cambià el mund apena finissum la sambuca |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:47
There are even some scans form his diary, where he mentioned beeing on a Genesis gig ("bloody Awesome!!!" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:56
Cool!! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: misiu
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:11
I used to be a big Maiden fan when I was in the highschool ... For me their carrer stopped in 88 with Seventh Son ... I really can't see where are Genesis and yes influences in Maiden muisc ... Much more Black Sabbath Judas Priest, Rush and Deep Purple influences ... Killers album I never enjoyed, I can't stand DiAnno voice. And appart few good songs such as: Hallowed by their name, Powerslave, Rime of the Ancient mariner, Alexander the great and Seventh Son I don't see a solid song which rerally deserve to be called progressive ... I also never considered them to be very competent on their instruments, except of master Steve Harris and maybe McBrain. Murray and Smith lack of feeling as well as Hammet and Hetfield from Metallica ... In contrast Black Sabbath have had some gorgeous instrumentists as Geezer Butler, Toni Iommi, Vinnie Appice and the mega voice of Dio. Albums like "Heaven and hell" and "Mob Rules" are much better than any Maiden output.
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:21
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Remember that I only count as progressive related the early period of both bands, not the last stuff. And one thing; ...And Justice For All is more progressive that anything of Iron Maiden. To say Metallica is crappy is very subjective (althoght the singer is bad, I know), it's unquestionable that instrumentaly are awesome, better than Maiden (this is subjective too, I know). Iron Maiden doesn´t have a guitarrist of the quality of Kirk Hammet. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:25
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I love Iron Maiden, and think they are certainly deserving a place in the archives. I could name a prog song on all but one of their albums ('No Prayer For The Dying'). I love 'Killers'- one of the best metal albums ever, even if it was somewhat rushed in comparison to their other albums, as they used leftovers from their early days and hastily written tracks. Surely, 'Transylvania', 'Phantom Of The Opera', 'Prodigal Son', 'Genghis Khan', 'The Prisoner', 'Hallowed Be Thy Name', 'Rime Of The Ancient Mariner' and 'Powerslave' are prog songs? |
Posted By: Mad Bass Player
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:27
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I don't find Metallica very prog-related...but Iron Maiden's X-Factor Brave New World, and Dance of Death are really melodic and complex...I would consider that to be prog related. I really don't find anything about metallica prog at all, 'cept for Master of Puppets (the song, that is). They're just another metal band. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:28
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Look, i like Maiden and Metallica,as i've said before i have seen them both and bought the t-shirt etc.
Now Maiden have in their extensive library the odd song that could be termed "prog-ish (loosely)"-but the vast majority of their songs are pure and utter rock and rock at its best (Two Minutes to Midnight and others you will know).Lets not shoehorn Maiden in (who i like remember) just because of the odd song or so.Metallica are even less likely candidates for inclusion  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: The Minstrel
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:44
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Christ anything could be prog-related to you people. It always like "There's this band I like and they once did a long song and once their drummer played a song in this weird time signature, Oh My God prog related!!!!" I've probably listened to a thousand bands that are prog-related. To name a few: The Doors, The Who, The Kinks, The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, Cream, Crosby Stills and Nash, Grand Funk Railroad, Steely Dan, Sonic Youth, The Band, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers. If we are added Maiden and Metallica, we'd surely have to add these. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:48
omigod!!! somones gonna see those names and say "now you come to mention it........" aaaargggh  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:50
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For those of you who continue to mention the Rime of the Ancient Mariner: Listen to Shadow Gallery - Ghostship (on their album Carved in Stone), it's MUCH more progressive. Having said that, the song might be called Proto-Prog, but not the entire album Powerslave - the better part of it is good "true" Power Metal. BTW: Early Metallica is hardly Proto-Prog or Prog Related IMO ... on Ride the Lightning they started to experiment with interludes, sophisticated solos and strange harmonies. Master of Puppets is THE Proto-ProgMetal album. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:51
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hmmmm maybe quasi-pseudo-proto-prog ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 17:52
All these things have to be thought before include Queen, Deep purple, Supertramp, etc... Now the door is open. I prefer the site only with prog, absolute prog, but now there is prog related, and Metallica and Maiden are prog related. So they deserve to be included. (Sorry for my english) ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 18:20
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I think Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg have to be included in prog-related. Thoughts? |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 18:24
i agree and then NWA and Public Enemy ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 18:24
If your posts only were as complex as your avatar. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 18:31
Don't forget Slayer, AC/DC & Motörhead ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 18:34
i quoted Motorhead earlier and someone added that they ARE prog related due to the Lemmy/Hawkwind link ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 19:10
Your simplistic response is almost as bad as my internet sarcasm. |
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 19:25
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Why bother??? Anything can goes under that category... So just stick them in... the main reason for having a prog related related label was to included almost everything that sounds proggy... Iron Maiden / Metallica / Black Sabbath / Ozzy Osbourne (any heavy metal band that spured in the 80's, since they all were influenced by progressive bands), but I still don't agree with that category... Metallica is a cool band and Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning and And Justice for All, were the only three albums with that progressive blend/touch (influence). After those years, they "sold out" every seat and became what we know. Iron Maiden has a lot of influence from Deep Purple, Yes, Wishbone Ash and Black Sabbath. In fact, their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is considered as a concept album featuring a story of a mythical child who possessed clairvoyant powers based on the book Seventh Son by Orson Scott Card. ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 19:31
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It's easy to make jokes by saying "Oh, let's include Mariah Carey", but the fact is that Metallica and Iron Maiden have an enormous importance in the formation of Prog-Metal. It's enough with reading the biography of the most importants bands of Prog-Metal like Dream Theater or Opeth. They confess having an strong influence of both bands, and this is the rule, not the exception in the majority of progmetal bands. Even though bands like motorhead, judas priest and similar aren't mentioned with the same frequency; they aren't a progmetal influence like Metallica and Maiden. Include both bands in Prog-Related or in a kind of subgenre that we can called "Proto-ProgMetal", is not an option, it's a duty. Some of you are against it, I understand it, but it's obvious that there is a strong connection between these bands and the history of Prog (Prog-Metal in concrete). Don't forget that Steve Harris was a teenager fan of Genesis, Yes and Jethro Tull, for example; or that Cliff Burton was a fan of Rush (his favourite bassist was Geddy Lee). Obviously these facts are reflected in their music (like I said before, in the early period of their music). ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:00
That's because Sonic Youth damn well ARE prog related! Not to mention the Beatles and maaaaybe Jane's Addiction.
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:04
Two things spinning round complex? No wonder you like Kamelot!
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Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:30
don't forget the Mikkey Dee - King Diamond/Mercyful Fate link. (I know, KD and MF aren't progressive... bla bla) |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:33
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Sorry, but I think Tool gets a little too much credit for being a
little more than typical. They aren't bad, definitely not, but when
people orgasm over their music because they are slightly complex and
interesting, it annoys me. They belong in prog-related, which is where
I think Iron Maiden and Metallica should be. Iron Maiden because they
didn't really do anything prog related on purpose, they just stuck to
their genre, which was straight heavy metal. Heavy metal can include
keyboards and longish songs. Metallica was just thrash. Dragonforce
does thrashy stuff with long suns and keyboards, but we don't have them
here because they were simply thrash. Thrash is known to incorporate
some keyboards looking back. Now once again, Death is prog because they completely defied the genre they created and had a VERY original sound by TSOP. The ywere prog. Tool and Iron Maiden and Metallica, while all pretty good bands, are not prog...just cause we like them doesn't make them prog. They all seem prog-related to me.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists">
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:35
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 21:43
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Dragonforce is speed metal... I wouldn't put them on this site, but they're an amazing band.
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Posted By: yesman72
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 22:01
| I kinda like the idea of Maiden and Priest being added to the site under a prog related category. Maiden and Priest both have admitted to being heavily influenced by Uriah Heep. And on Priest's earlier stuff, especially Sad Wings of Destiny, there's kind of a concept going on and also stuff like the track "Prelude" which led into Tyrant which was exactly the kind of thing prog bands were doing. Aside from that they had a big harmony guitar sound similar to Queen, which are apparently considered prog. "Two Minutes To Midnight" is like a metal orchestra and Maiden's first two albums remind me of Deep Purple and Uriah Heep a lot. But on the other hand, although i do like all the bands mentioned so far, I don't know if i would consider any of them to be honest prog except maybe Heep. But anyway I could live with it. Don't know about Metallica though. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 01:51
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Sorry, I think they're much more than that. Lateralus is a very sophisticated piece ofo music. It's subjective ... you can neither prove or disprove it.
Agreed on Iron Maiden.
This part doesn't make sense to me. Let's just skip it ...
NO. Being innovative (even if it leds to the creation of a new genre) doesn't necessarily make something Prog. Death's newer album are prog because they are complex, sophisticated AND stepping beyond their "base" genre by adding other influences.
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 02:29
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Why does you only concider seventh son of a seventh son to be progressive? Is it suddenly more progressive because it is a concept album? Anyways i would have no problem naming atleast 50 maiden songs wich could fit the term progressive. Infact if you take forexample the excellent In absentia release from porcupine tree...is it prog..NO...is it prog related...yes but it is still listen under prog...so there are really alot of artists on this page wich can be concidered prog although their arrangements are alot simpler than maidens...and the ones naming red hot chili peppers and megadeth ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:20
Are you sure about that? I don't see any connection between the Maiden album and Card's series, other than the concept of the seventh son of a seventh son, which is an idea that has been around a lot longer than either two.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:26
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:41
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:47
Well, it contains long and complex songs nevertheless. As well as Piece of Mind and Somewhere in time, other two that I would insert in the list of prog would-be.
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 10:26
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Yes is more prog than both Maiden and Metallica ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 11:43
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The first album I've bought with my first pay! GREAT! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:21
I have to admit, I misread this before I replied. I thought it read that Maiden and Metallica have been included! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:24
This is a joke, right? Please tell met it is NO Metallica and Iron Maiden never were and probably never be prog realted! Stop this nonsence! Iron Maiden is the founder of NWOBHM, thats New Wave Of British HEAVY METAL! Heavy metal not prog metal, not prog realted heavy metal, not even wery-close-but-not-exactly-prog-related-heavy-metal  Pure heavy metal- you know heavy metal- hard rock but faster and heavier! Nothing to do with prog. The same with Metallica. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:36
Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here...  for good...
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Posted By: magog
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:41
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I think real prog died in the end of the 70's with last valuable albums from prog-bands of early 70's, (Songs from the wood, Breathless,Quite zone-Pleasure dome); I generally don't trust in 80's prog (with some exception) and of corse metal is metal for my idea of prog. |
Posted By: magog
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:46
Hi Andrea, the story about your first pay is really touching...  hope you now spend your next pays with real prog albums!!!! |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:07
i have to admit the first time i heard porcupine tree i thought they where some kind of intelligent pop band with songs like sound of muzak,even less and shes moving on, trains, collapse the light into earth,hearattack in a layby and blackest eyes is not the least proggy...and certainly porcupine tree concentrate on making these simple songs ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:15
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And take Opeth's ghost reveries: A metal album wich has longer songs wich changes from hard metal riffs and soft accoustic stuff in 90% of the album...if you compare this album to brave new world i think you will find that the maiden songs are just as complicated and in some cases even more complex than the Opeth songs. Infact Opeth's epics on that cd is pretty boring as all has Heavy intros with a accoustic/soft part in the middle just to return to the heavy parts again and then end...and the rest 3 songs is simple ballady songs ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:18
C'mon Magog, it was 1993! BTW I've always loved them! |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:22
that is a CRAP live album...the only live ye need is rock in rio and have ye heard BRAVE NEW WORLD?...masterpiece...beats the crap out of any prog metal album ever released ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 14:03
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I believe they are prog related the mighty maiden more so over 'tallica. You see Steve Harris (the bassist in case there's anyone who don't know) was a prog freak and loved Jethro Tull so when he started Maiden back in 75 or summin that naturally came out with in the music thus shifting the whole idea of prog-rock whilst you must remeber at the time you also had punk which supposidly "killed prog" (which it didn't prog just wasn't mainstram anymore so went underground.. but thats for another day) so thus it went underground and found new forms, one of these was Maiden and from this Maiden changed how rock and metal should be written, in that music is like a big, blank canvas waiting for a masterpiece to be formed on it. This in turn influencing many others such as 'tallica who cmae to view a similar view espcially during Masters of puppets, with the album itself having many proggy influences in there. So there they are both important and both are prog related, you could even say that Maiden created Prog-metal. Music Historian LOL ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 14:21
thinkYou are a bit overreating with BNW beeing the best prog metal album ever ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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... Its quite progessive (My 1st Maiden album
)... DoD is far more porg with a symphonic touch!Posted By: RAMM:ELL:ZEE
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 15:41
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Let's just move to the new progarchives http://www.allmusic.com - here
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 15:46
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I'm telling you,they ARE not prog lets move on squeeze them into some proto-prog-related category if you must ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 16:09
A question for everyone: how long before the likes of Genesis,Yes,VDGG etc start to disappear from public awareness completely? We need to ensure that they are kept alive by attracting new people who would never normally come into contact with these bands. So how can we do this? Surely anyone who enjoys the more sophisticated songs by Iron Maiden and Metallica or Deep Purple might like Dream Theater or Symphony X et al.By creating genres such as "Prog-Related" and "Proto-Prog" we are simply creating a stepping stone whereby fans of these bands can discover similar bands but who play Prog Rock. We are not selling out we are trying to attract those who might be more open to Prog Rock.Therefore ensuring its survival.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 16:14
hey i like all the bands mentioned here,I've seen maiden and metallica,prog-related is fine,genesis and yes will never disappear whilst we are alive educating our offspring i don't know how many hardcore metallica fans will be embracing VDGG or GG though ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 16:18
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Fair point H,but I too come from a heavy rock background (although admittedly I was a big fan of Yes,Genesis etc in the 70's) and I've got into so much new stuff (well new to me
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 16:23
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^ music is for life,my taste evolves and i search for new stuff all the time,i'd be lost without music this site has given me a good few gems lately ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: gimsom
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 16:56
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This
is totally silly! I think this great site has started to add so many
bands that have nothing to do with prog. Iam going to do thing, if they
get added Iam never going to visit this site again. Ill find another
one which gives me what I actually wanted when I first time entered
this site. I do doubt will they be added anyway. But come on people, go to some metal sites if you want to talk things of that genre!! |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 17:03
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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 17:21
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 17:54
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Alright, I take back about Tool being just OK. I used to listen to them
much more, like Dream Theater, and when you listen to just a pretty
good band a lot, they get tiring and you think they aren't so good
anymore. Yet every time I listen to a Tool or Dream Theater song, I
remember why I liked them. However, are they prog? I still say no,
simply prog-influenced and just good music. I think some songs are
proggy, but we shouldn't put a band here for a couple songs. Most songs
are just straight-foward rockin' songs.
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 19:13
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Have you read the topic??? Nobody is saying they are prog, only prog-related, or proto-prog-metal. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 19:22
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It seems sometimes, that the discussion is focused on "Are Metallica and Maiden prog?". NO. All we know they aren't prog, but have they elements enough to be considered Prog-Related? Absolutely YES. In their early period, of course. Metallica after 1989 doesn't deserve anything, Maiden have good proggy songs after 1988 (Sign of the Cross), but their golden period was 1980-1988. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 20:00
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I don't know about Metal-licka (can't stand them), but Iron Maiden did have "prog. tendencies" in their early days. BUT, the reality is: IRON MAIDEN IS A HEAVY METAL BAND, NOT A PROG. BAND! Come on folks, many bands have had a progressive moment or two in their lifetime, but that doesn't mean that we should include them. If we start including every band under the sun on this site, before long it will be very difficult to sort our the real progs. from the non-proggers. This especially goes for the more obscure groups. PLEASE KEEP THIS SITE FOR PROG. BANDS. Send your Metallica and Dream Theater and Beastie Boys reviews to some other site.... Thanks.
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 21:12
Send your Metallica, DREAM THEATER (!!!!!!! (It's no necessary to say nothing) ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
), and Beastie Boys (¿¡¿¡??¡¡¿!!?¿Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 21:21
I was a metallica fan 3 years ago. Then I listened to Dream Theater, and I like it a lot, then I listened to Symphony X, Ayreon, Pain of Salvation, Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, Yes, Camel, Porcupine Tree, etc... Last month I listened to VDGG's Pawn Hearts and I love it !!! Here you have an excelent example of heavy metal fan convert into prog. (I think I'm not the only one, there's a lot of heavy metal people that loves prog but they doesn't know it yet!!! ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: mburkhardt
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 22:27
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Metallica - I'd only consider "...And Justice For All" a prog-related album,
maybe "Master Of Puppets" if I'm being generous. Iron Maiden - Definitely. Seventh Son, Powerslave ("Ancient Mariner" especially), Somewhere In Time and many of their other early classics... And, even though nobody asked, definitely Sabbath if Deep Purple and Uriah Heep are around! ------------- "The frog was a prince, the prince was a brick, the brick was an egg, the egg was a bird." |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 01:01
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Talk about GREY AREA!!!! I loved Iron Maiden from their beginning...up to about '88 I also liked Metallica for the same period... To me that says something! I was searching for prog in heavy metal, because there was SO LITTLE prog around in the 80s. These bands were brought up on prog, they both had/have prog tendencies, but are they actually prog? ....probably not.. But one is FOR SURE: Alot of people that come to this site relate to these bands in those periods of their existence. We could definitley say that DREAMTHEATER were influenced by both of them, since they have covered ENTIRE albums by them live! So, in a sense Metallica and Iron Maiden really are the 'fathers' of Prog metal...they are definitley the 'link' in my mind... |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 03:21
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Oh please Iron Maiden deserves atleat to get under the proto prog genre concidering that the bands like Kamleot and Nightwish are concidered progressive metal. I do not wish for maiden under prog metal genre listing...anyways i agree that fans of prog metal bands like Dream theater,nightwish and such might want to find iron maiden interesting...yes they are heavy metal but far more progressive and intricate that "typical" metal bands like judas priest,def leppard, accept, motley crue and other popular metal bands of the 80's Besides there are many people that does not find bands like The mars volta, Dream Theater or tool to be progressive at all ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 30 2005 at 03:32
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Well then does anybody want to add maiden or can i do it?
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