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hdfisch
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Joined: December 25 2004
Location: Germany
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Points: 513
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:21 |
spectral, I might exaggerate and over-react a bit, but guys like you just belttle such things. I don't agree with your point, it's a bit too naive. Finally reading through most of the posts in this thread I'm not quite sure whether everybody speaking about using drugs was really mentally mature enough (regardless of age) to be aware of all the consequences. On the other hand since I finally found enough time to go through all these posts in detail I was surprised in a positive way that in deed most of the posters were not supporting to take drugs. Some were admittedly only weed-consumers (that I don't mind by the way, since I did as well already) but the ones advocating stuff which goes beyond this where really in a minority. Maybe a reason for my over-reaction is the fact that I lost someone in my family just because of over-dosing of heroin. I really hope that no one of you guys come that far and I don't want to say by this that you're going necessarily into that direction.So like this I'd love to close this thread and not discuss anymore about this topic!
Go on and smoke your weed or spliff if you like, but don't exaggerate it and don't try something else!There isn't anything better than this one!
Prog,peace and love forever!
spectral wrote:
hdfisch, you exaggerate big time! if the kids are intelligent enough to find out about prog, then they are intelligent enough to know about the dangers of drugs. you seriously don't expect people to read this forum and take things to heart, let alone using the opinions of people here to go out and do drugs - do you? |
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 1422
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:26 |
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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hdfisch
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Joined: December 25 2004
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Points: 513
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:35 |
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:36 |
you're still on drugs,aren't you???
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: June 25 2005 at 08:44 |
Snow Dog wrote:
hdfisch wrote:
Well that's YOUR opinion. If you're taking drugs what you obvously do according to your posts you have to reckon to be called unreasonable!
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I think your being completely illogical, unreasonable and possibly mad!
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Even though I wrote the above I can see your point about the thread, in that people were quite open and frank about taking hard drugs! This is after all private affair that concerns the individuals involved. How you can call me unreasonable for having the occasional joint though i just don't understand!
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 4097
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Posted: June 25 2005 at 09:31 |
nacho wrote:
So please, don't do any drugs if you don't know how to cope with them...
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Every person has his limit, every sensible person knows it.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 27 2005 at 07:45 |
goose wrote:
Every person has his limit, every sensible person knows it. |
This is true, but without emphasizing neither opinnions against or towards drugs, I fear it's difficult to see where "the thin red line" is drawn until you have passed it. So be carewful what ever sh*t you dump to yourself.
Here in Finland people mostly do plain boozing. There's a lots of winos, and it's even socially respected to be a serious drinker. The amount of vodka you can drink and the number of persons you kill when going to restaurant are the subjects that make a REAL MAN.
Our goverment has a monopoly of liquor sales, and the taxes of alcohol we're about 70% of the price. Last year the goverment had to decrease their prices, as the restrictions of importing alcohol to your own use from abroad were removed. Now all alcohol hazards are growing, as those people who send all their available money to drinking can get about two times more booze as they used to. Violent incidents, childrens custody charges, sickleaves from jobs, drunk-driving accidents and alcohol based sicknesses, they all have rised along with the countionously growing consuption of alcohol. So at least IMHO there are lot more important issues to get hysterical about than "drugs", whatever one even want's to comprehend with that term.
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: August 08 2005 at 06:39 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
goose wrote:
Every person has his limit, every sensible person knows it. |
This is true, but without emphasizing neither opinnions against or towards drugs, I fear it's difficult to see where "the thin red line" is drawn until you have passed it. So be carewful what ever sh*t you dump to yourself.
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That's definitely a valid point - but I wasn't talking exclusively about a physical limit - more about how much/what an individual feels comfortable with taking - I'm sure some people are happy to die a few years younger if they can drink and smoke all their lives, and that's their own choice - I'm too scared of death to think like that, and so it's nearly always well over six or eight weeks between taking any drugs other than alcohol - perhaps not last week but I was on holiday in the Netherlands . I think I'd definitely better not live there and it reinforces my anti-decriminalisation stance no end.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 08 2005 at 05:04 |
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Damen
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Joined: August 04 2005
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Posted: September 08 2005 at 11:11 |
oliverstoned wrote:
you admit yourself you're a polytoxicoman and you blame people to make allusions to weed...funny I think the term "drugs" is not good cause it suppose addiction, which is not the case of all substances evoked under this term, lile LSD for example, which is not addictive at all. I prefer the term "power plant", or "lucidogen" (instead of hallucinogen). |
LSD is addictive, heh.
Anyway, I, myself, have taken an anti drug stance since I got clean, which was a terrible process, but I don't think discussions of the matter should be forbidden. It's actually an important life experience in my opinion. Granted it would be nice if everyone was smart enough to stay away from them, but most people aren't. I like to think that people will learn from their mistakes however, and walk away more knowledgeable from it, with more life experience, and maybe, just maybe, they'll walk away less naive from that, I know I did. I don't like the idea of drugs enhancing music, to me the music is great the way it is, and I don't need a substance to enhance my listening experience. On the other hand, however, I don't like the idea of a subject being taboo on a forum with a reasonably intelligent populus, as long as the substances are talked about in a intelligent way, and not advertized or advocated.
That's my two cents on the subject.
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-Chris Squire
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 03:08 |
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greenback
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 01:59 |
hdfisch, first of all, you rule!
at last an intelligent prog fan who condemn drugs!
you know, we are surrounded by people who just want rights, rights and rights, and do not think about responsabilities and consequences: i call them average people. we are surrounded by "ostie de ti-culs" who think they know everything, who thing they can defy the law, and most of all who think they have rights for every reason. these days, PA has been infested by such persons, so that it just becomes unbearable! some people here compare you to Bush; don't worry: some people here compare my views to the Third Reich politics! As long as you notice that my objective is not to kill or harm people, you understand that their comparisons are more than ridiculous. Only intelligent people understand the benefits of control, to not say KControl!
what ordinary people do not understand is that with only rights, society lies in a total chaos; however, with an appropriate amount of control, society becomes better organized, more efficient and better sensibilized to common goals. overdose of rights are for parasite people living on the social welfare who think other people than themselves are responsible of their status. I hate P.E.T. Trudeau' human rights chart, because he contributed this way to put some chaos in Canada!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:34 |
I don't see the connection with having rights and duties on one hand, and the subject of "drugs". Please explain.
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Borealis
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Joined: May 06 2005
Location: Neutral Zone
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 14:48 |
greenback wrote:
hdfisch, first of all, you rule!
at last an intelligent prog fan who condemn drugs!
you know, we are surrounded by people who just want rights, rights and rights, and do not think about responsabilities and consequences: i call them average people. we are surrounded by "ostie de ti-culs" who think they know everything, who thing they can defy the law, and most of all who think they have rights for every reason. these days, PA has been infested by such persons, so that it just becomes unbearable! some people here compare you to Bush; don't worry: some people here compare my views to the Third Reich politics! As long as you notice that my objective is not to kill or harm people, you understand that their comparisons are more than ridiculous. Only intelligent people understand the benefits of control, to not say KControl!
what ordinary people do not understand is that with only rights, society lies in a total chaos; however, with an appropriate amount of control, society becomes better organized, more efficient and better sensibilized to common goals. overdose of rights are for parasite people living on the social welfare who think other people than themselves are responsible of their status. I hate P.E.T. Trudeau' human rights chart, because he contributed this way to put some chaos in Canada!
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WTF are you talking about?!
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Vive le Québec libre!...
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goose
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 15:04 |
Damen wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
you admit yourself you're a polytoxicoman and you blame people to make allusions to weed...funny I think the term "drugs" is not good cause it suppose addiction, which is not the case of all substances evoked under this term, lile LSD for example, which is not addictive at all. I prefer the term "power plant", or "lucidogen" (instead of hallucinogen). |
LSD is addictive, heh.
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Do you have any scientific or even trustworthy anecdotal refernces to that? Every reference I've seen states clearly that LSD is not addictive. Surely people can enjoy the experince so much that they find it difficult to stop, but that's no different to computers, sex, prog music etc., just as oliver has said on other threads!
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