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lordoflight
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Topic: Are Celtic Frost Progressive Metal? Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:48 |
Has anyone heard the album Into the Pandemonium by Celtic Frost? Do you agree that they should be on this website?
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:56 |
OMFG! nooooooo!!!!!!!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:58 |
King of Loss wrote:
OMFG! nooooooo!!!!!!! |
Stop beating about the bush! DO YOU THINK THEY'RE PROG, KoL?
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:00 |
They are one of the early Thrash Metal bands to have a Black Metal vibe in them.... Of course not!
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goose
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:24 |
Venom wrote a twenty minute song - they must be prog!
Oddly enough, I was introduced to CF as a prog metal band. They're pretty original I guess, but I've no idea where prog comes in...
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Ty1020
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:29 |
They're progressive in the sense that they did things that hadn't
previously been done in metal, but I wouldn't consider them prog metal
at all. This brings up an interesting question that we seem to face a
lot around here: if a band is progressive within its own genre, should
they be included here at progarchives? The site's definition of prog
metal is:
Progressive metal (shortened to
prog, or prog metal when differentiating from progressive rock) is a
heavy brand of progressive rock which is characterized by the use of
complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and other
features.
Its origins can be traced all the way back to
traditional progressive rock acts of the 1960s and '70s like Yes, Pink
Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis and Rush, but progressive metal didn't
develop into a genre of its own until the mid-1980s. Acts such as Dream
Theater, Queensr˙che and Fates Warning took elements of these
progressive rock groups, primarily the instrumentation and
compositional structure of songs, and merged them with heavy metal
characteristics attributed to bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Deep
Purple, Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden. The result could be described as
a progressive rock mentality with heavy metal sounds.
This definition of prog metal isn't really "progressive" at all - it
simply says that prog metal bands mix elements of prog rock and metal,
which is why we generally think of bands like DT, Queensryche, and FW
when we're talking about prog metal. However, if we're using
"progressive" in the true sense of the word, then bands like Celtic
Frost were indeed progressive because they experimented with new sounds
and styles that hadn't been done before. www.metalarchives.ee
categorizes Celtic Frost as "Avant Garde Metal," which I think is
pretty accurate. They were progressive and experimental within the
realm of metal, but certainly not in the traditional progressive rock
sense.
Should they be included here? I say no, simply because their sound and
style does not comply with this site's defintion of "progressive
metal."Were they progressive? Most definitely.
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lucas
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:29 |
I would never have regarded them as a prog metal band.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:27 |
King of Loss wrote:
OMFG! nooooooo!!!!!!! |
I agree
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Ty1020
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 14:52 |
Well, they are metal, and they are progressive, albeit not in the way that would get them a place on this site.
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goose
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 06:20 |
Hang on, was it CF that did that track called something like Tristesses de la Lune? That was pretty adventrous for metal, for sure.
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 08:44 |
Not prog and never will be
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 09:03 |
Not prog!!!!! and if I remember well , they are closely related to neo-nazi influences!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 12:41 |
Nah, not them... They're an extreme metal legend, but it doesn't belong to Prog.
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I'm a Man-Owl-Fish.
Creator-Observer-Muse.
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Bryan
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 18:42 |
I don't see where the idea of them being prog came from either.
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