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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 23:05

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

It was in fact Nigel Tufnell, not Derek Smalls who made the same observation in his piece, inspired by Mozart and Bach - a kind of "Mach" piece, with sad, intertwining lines, that D minor is the saddest of all keys - everyone cries when you play a D minor -> Bb Major -> A major progression... He called the piece "Lick My Love Pump".

I always confuse those two...just like Lennon and McCartney.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 04:41
i will not start an argument about this, but enharmonic instruments, the so-called well-tempered instruments indeed make no difference between D# and Eb, but that does not mean that there isn't one.

D# and Eb are enharmonically the same, but they are not the same harmonically. If there is a musician who cannot understand this, then he/she has chosen the wrong occupation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 06:06
Even on an instrument where you can't differentiate between C# and Db (like a piano, obviously), I would think someone reading the music would get a different "feel" from seeing flats than sharps?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 08:46
there is no way to explain the truth to have it understood and not be believed....i love people who tell you you are ignorant, but then cant be bothereed to share their own wisdom on the subject, that is why many of us remain ignorant....questioning to better understand something isnt arguing, and rather i believe i do understand what you are saying .....this is what i dont undederstand :how can a violinist playing c sharp a little lowere than d flat in the same octave jive with a pianist playing the same note for both ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 09:05

Only because it's such a tiny difference, I should think. And perhaps (subconciously) the violinist would make the difference even smaller when a pianist was playing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 15:16
Of course there is a difference Between Modulations

Heres an exemple. I'm working on a Ozzy Osbourne Tribute band and we work with Live tapes and Studio tapes to re-work the songs.  Ozzy studio songs are usually in the E minor or A minor key but on the live songs, the guitars are tuned in Drop Eb so those songs becomes in Eb minor and Ab minor.  Altought it's only a second minor, the difference is really there!!! The song sounds much more Deep and Darker then the studio. Althought, this is not the reason why they done this but mostly because Ozzy's voice sounds like sh*t and can't sing that high anymore


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:01

A modulation occurs when a piece is trundling along in a particular key (e.g. D minor), and the composer takes the piece to a different key (e.g. G minor).

The composer can use a variety of devices to move the piece into the new key (cadence, sequence, etc.) and the point at which the piece changes is where it modulates. This may be the bar in which the cadence occurs, or the phrase that contains the sequence.

It's a nice trick to string out the modulation as long as possible, so that the tonal base of the previous section is all but lost, in order to move to a remote key smoothly - but it can be very dramatic to perform a sudden modulation into a remote key.

Moving a piece from one key into another is not modulation - it's transposition, and transposing the key of a piece will change the whole character of a song, with one exception; If you are playing a piece on the piano (or other instrument with fixed pitch ratios) and decide not to play it in Eb, but in D# instead, then it will not take on a new character - it cannot, as the notes are the same.

However, on a violin (or other instrument with variable pitch ratios), as has been pointed out, the sound (and hence) character will be subtly different.

 

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