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Frenetic Zetetic 
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 Topic: Starcastle or Triumvirat
Posted: March 10 2018 at 02:03 |
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Triumvirat
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
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Rednight
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Posted: February 19 2016 at 16:04 |
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It's Triumvi-rat.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 19 2016 at 13:19 |
^ 'Much more' melodic...? Don't know about that but imho they weren't really a copycat band as much as influenced by ELP. But at any rate they were far more interesting than 'Starcasm'. ;)
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: February 18 2016 at 18:29 |
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Triumvirat were not a copycat band, they were quite different than ELP and in many case much more melodic.
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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gr8dane
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Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:37 |
 miamiscot wrote:
I love both of them!!! |
Yep.Me too.
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Shake & bake.
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Barbu
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Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:29 |
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Tridougmvirat
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miamiscot
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Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:24 |
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I love both of them!!!
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 15:52 |
The 1st Starcastle album is just an amusing, novelty listen while Triumvirat moves beyond the band that obviously influenced them and has much more meat on the bones 
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JD
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 15:10 |
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T-Rat over Starcastle for sure. I agree with some of the comments above but I find Starcastle of lessor quality than the Rat. And I've always found the comparison of T-Rat to ELP a thin argument.
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Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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twosteves
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:32 |
True--I understand---generally speaking I don't like bands who try to sound like other bands---usually like original players who created an original sound. You can be influenced by great bands but you have to come up with an original sound---that is not derivative.
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Progrest Phantom
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:25 |
Beer or wine? Vodka or rum? Everything is an acquired taste and opinions are how we define ourselves.
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twosteves
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:18 |
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I think they are both pretty bad---not my kind of music----but it's just an opinion.
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Progrest Phantom
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:05 |
Starcastle: One of my favorites and been dulling needles on turntables for 40 years listening to Fountains of Light and their first album. Absolutely love them and they are in my soul. I can listen to them over Yes any time even though I think Yes was more technically proficient. Favorite Yes album?.....Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe Triumvirat: I had the first 3 albums and gave them away when I moved 35 years ago. Rediscovered them in the last 2 months and cannot get enough of Spartacus and Illusions on a Double Dimple. I enjoy Triumvirat over ELP. I might even give the nod to T'Rat over Starcastle, but then again, I'm fickle. Flash: All 3 albums have been in my collection although I can only listen to them about once per year. Flash, In the Can and Out of Our Hands are very good examples of early prog. What do I listen to now? Three are on my "Listen every moment I can" list: 1.) Guilt Machine - On This Perfect Day 2.) Frost - Milliontown 3.) Unitopia - In the Garden
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 16:49 |
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I think the first two Starcastle albums are good(notice I didn't say great)but I wouldn't consider them total prog classics. If I was going to review and rate them on PA they'd get 3 stars at the most.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 16:39 |
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Honestly sometimes we'd better think twice before launching such predictable polls - don't see any point in exposing bands to that humiliating result, obviously it's another unfair comparation...
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:43 |
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Triumvirat for me too !! I only have Starcastle S/T and that's enough from them.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:42 |
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I didn't mean to insult either band by using the term copy cat but it just seems that both bands, at least at times, wore their influences on their sleeves. They certainly weren't the only ones to do that though. It's not a bad thing in and of itself though. I read where Starcastle tried to deny copying YES saying they had the same influences but weren't deliberately trying to sound like YES. Yeah ok. ;) Anyone know the band Druid? Apparently they sounded a bit like YES also.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:16 |
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Triumvirat
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Wanorak
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 13:53 |
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Triumvirat by a wide margin. I don't really like Starcastle.
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Progosopher
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 13:02 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
I couldn't think of any copy cat bands for Genesis although I'm sure that in the case of Genesis at least there are probably a few.
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How about any and all Neo-Prog bands?
I voted for Starcastle but do not consider them a copy cat band. To be sure, their main influence is Yes, and it is strong, but I also hear a lot of ELP influence as well.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Starcastle or Triumvirat
