Starcastle or Triumvirat
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Topic: Starcastle or Triumvirat
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Subject: Starcastle or Triumvirat
Date Posted: April 07 2014 at 23:53
Which copy cat band do you prefer? Personally I think Triumvirat blows Starcastle out of the water but that's just my opinion.  Also, I couldn't think of any copy cat bands for Pink Floyd or Genesis although I'm sure that in the case of Genesis at least there are probably a few. |
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 00:02
| Neither. If a band can't strive for an original sound or at least put one foot forward in trying to be unique in some way, then they certainly don't deserve their own poll. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 00:06
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Well thank you for sharing your opinion. Does this mean you don't like IQ or Marillion? :p Oh and neither band has their own poll. They're sharing this one. ;) |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 00:18
| Starcastle is bad + I'd probably pick Triumvirat over ELP most days |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 00:24
| ^ Well I don't know if I'd go that far but I certainly think Triumvirat was a very good band. Cool user name by the way. ;) |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 01:22
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T'rat, definitely. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 01:29
| I'm not convinced that you can copy ELP anyway. Triumvirat sort of distilled Tarkus and made it their own. Really good band and Jurgen Fritz is probably a more fluid player than Keith Emerson. However ELP had 'attitude' and were one of the pioneers of prog and also advanced the use of the Moog synth. I don't see that much Triumvirat that is comparable to ELP tracks like Take A Pebble, Pirates, Trilogy and Hoedown. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 01:48
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Triumvirat are a pretty special band to me and I play them a lot more often, but Starcastle are a fine band as well.
To dismiss Triumvirat as a mere `copycat' act is hugely insulting though! Also, the Triumvirat albums when they worked more to a poppier/accessible/commercial sound mixed with prog such as `Pompeii', etc, were more successful than ELP's similar moments. Did anyone ever bother listening to that later Starcastle album with the shocking black and white picture of the band on the front?! Not much of a prog akbum, but certainly a well-played AOR album!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 02:31
IQ and Marillion may have been heavily influenced by Genesis and other 70s prog bands, but their sound soon became very much their own. As for the poll, I much prefer Triumvirat. Starcastle are just too close to Yes for comfort.
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Prog_Traveller wrote:Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 04:10
+1
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 07:05
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I actually love both early Triumvirat and early Starcastle Voted Starcastle ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 07:32
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Triumvirat, they are my favorite band. And I have always seen them as having a unique identity of their own. Of course they have their influences -everybody does-but they put it together their own way, really. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 09:16
This--could not have said it better.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 11:31
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I think Starcastle had one good album, the first one, which I have, but Triumvirat has several. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 13:02
How about any and all Neo-Prog bands? 
I voted for Starcastle but do not consider them a copy cat band. To be sure, their main influence is Yes, and it is strong, but I also hear a lot of ELP influence as well. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 13:53
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Triumvirat by a wide margin. I don't really like Starcastle. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:16
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Triumvirat ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:42
| I didn't mean to insult either band by using the term copy cat but it just seems that both bands, at least at times, wore their influences on their sleeves. They certainly weren't the only ones to do that though. It's not a bad thing in and of itself though. I read where Starcastle tried to deny copying YES saying they had the same influences but weren't deliberately trying to sound like YES. Yeah ok. ;) Anyone know the band Druid? Apparently they sounded a bit like YES also. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 15:43
| Triumvirat for me too !! I only have Starcastle S/T and that's enough from them. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 16:39
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Honestly sometimes we'd better think twice before launching such predictable polls - don't see any point in exposing bands to that humiliating result, obviously it's another unfair comparation... -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 16:49
| I think the first two Starcastle albums are good(notice I didn't say great)but I wouldn't consider them total prog classics. If I was going to review and rate them on PA they'd get 3 stars at the most. |
Posted By: Progrest Phantom
Date Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:05
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Starcastle: One of my favorites and been dulling needles on turntables for 40 years listening to Fountains of Light and their first album. Absolutely love them and they are in my soul. I can listen to them over Yes any time even though I think Yes was more technically proficient. Favorite Yes album?.....Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe Triumvirat: I had the first 3 albums and gave them away when I moved 35 years ago. Rediscovered them in the last 2 months and cannot get enough of Spartacus and Illusions on a Double Dimple. I enjoy Triumvirat over ELP. I might even give the nod to T'Rat over Starcastle, but then again, I'm fickle. Flash: All 3 albums have been in my collection although I can only listen to them about once per year. Flash, In the Can and Out of Our Hands are very good examples of early prog. What do I listen to now? Three are on my "Listen every moment I can" list: 1.) Guilt Machine - On This Perfect Day 2.) Frost - Milliontown 3.) Unitopia - In the Garden |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:18
| I think they are both pretty bad---not my kind of music----but it's just an opinion. |
Posted By: Progrest Phantom
Date Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:25
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Beer or wine? Vodka or rum? Everything is an acquired taste and opinions are how we define ourselves.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:32
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True--I understand---generally speaking I don't like bands who try to sound like other bands---usually like original players who created an original sound. You can be influenced by great bands but you have to come up with an original sound---that is not derivative. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 17 2016 at 15:10
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T-Rat over Starcastle for sure. I agree with some of the comments above but I find Starcastle of lessor quality than the Rat. And I've always found the comparison of T-Rat to ELP a thin argument. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 17 2016 at 15:52
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The 1st Starcastle album is just an amusing, novelty listen while Triumvirat moves beyond the band that obviously influenced them and has much more meat on the bones ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:24
| I love both of them!!! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:29
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Tridougmvirat ------------- |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 12:37
Yep.Me too. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 18:29
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Triumvirat were not a copycat band, they were quite different than ELP and in many case much more melodic. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 19 2016 at 13:19
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^ 'Much more' melodic...? Don't know about that but imho they weren't really a copycat band as much as influenced by ELP. But at any rate they were far more interesting than 'Starcasm'. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 19 2016 at 16:04
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It's Triumvi-rat. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 10 2018 at 02:03
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Triumvirat ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |